Chat log of community meeting on 27th February 2011

Meeting 27/02/2011 on village Green

Laz not in control but here's what was said...


[12:01] Lazarus Loxely: **** Meeting Begins!! ****
[12:01] Lazarus Loxely: that makes it easier for me to find the
start for chat log lol
[12:01] DeeDee Bookmite: looks terribly serious
[12:02] Lazarus Loxely: so congrats again to Hats on winning
[12:02] Hatshepsut Linette: ty
[12:02] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): yes
[12:02] Lazarus Loxely: i have a copy of her plan in NC format if
anyone wants it, let me know
[12:02] Hatshepsut Linette: but I think we need to thank everyone
for taking pat
[12:02] Hatshepsut Linette: part*
[12:02] DeeDee Bookmite: I have it minimised in documents
[12:02] Lazarus Loxely: shush no time for being polite wiht me in
charge
[12:02] DeeDee Bookmite: lol
[12:02] Elsbeth Biedermann: absolutely... there are a lot of people
who have put in a lot of work
[12:02] Lazarus Loxely: you won accept the plaudits ;)
[12:02] Elsbeth Biedermann shuts up again
[12:03] Lazarus Loxely: not you ya-ya c'mon this is serious stuff
[12:03] Commander Quandry: Snowball
[12:03] Hennamono Morpork is Online
[12:03] Lilac Magic (lilac.lupindo): exactly. everyone who submitted
a plan worked very hard. but well done Hats.
[12:03] Hatshepsut Linette: bows politely
[12:03] MarionGE is Online
[12:04] Lazarus Loxely: so we have 2 days to make any changes, first
topic/s is does it need any? and what?
[12:04] Lazarus Loxely: let the melee commence
[12:04] Hatshepsut Linette: I think it needs quite a bit of guff
removing
[12:04] Lazarus Loxely sits back and scoffs his dinner
[12:04] Hatshepsut Linette: and as I wrote it I guess its my job to
tidy up the extra explanations
[12:04] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): needs risk assessments
[12:05] Lazarus Loxely votes for that
[12:05] Hatshepsut Linette: yes I agree
[12:05] Lazarus Loxely: i do like a volunteer
[12:05] Hatshepsut Linette: risk needed and a few other things
[12:05] Hatshepsut Linette: a few decisions
[12:06] Xara Thespian: gone quiet
[12:06] Aseret Quintessa: yes it has
[12:06] Hatshepsut Linette: anyone want to offer ideas on risks?
[12:06] Hatshepsut Linette: if I may br chairman
[12:06] Hatshepsut Linette: mr*
[12:06] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): just getting the plan up
[12:06] Aseret Quintessa: aren't all the risks named still
applicable Hats
[12:06] Lazarus Loxely: yep i aint pulling teeth as I said before
lets all go at it
[12:07] Aseret Quintessa: the ones from all the plans
[12:07] Hatshepsut Linette: some I suppose are relevant - have not
checked to see if all are
[12:07] Hatshepsut Linette: not enough time unfortunately sindce
result was issued
[12:07] Xara Thespian: yes
[12:07] Lazarus Loxely: v.true
[12:08] DeeDee Bookmite: it is important that the OU cover their
backs
[12:08] Hatshepsut Linette: yes Dee
[12:08] DeeDee Bookmite: yes we didn't have much time
[12:08] Hennamono Morpork: Excuse me if I seem a bit vacant - trying
to juggle being here and cooking!
[12:08] Xara Thespian: and the OU will want us to cover their backs
[12:08] MarionGE: can't remember what your plan has on griefing etc
Hats
[12:09] Hatshepsut Linette: not a lot to be honest - because we do
not know how much time Niall plans to be in world or what he will let
us do
[12:09] Hatshepsut Linette: that is one of the biggest stumbling
blocks
[12:09] DeeDee Bookmite: bullying, people sticking to the OU rules
etc all that needs sorted
[12:09] Xara Thespian: griefing bullying etc
[12:09] DeeDee Bookmite: yes pity Niall couldn't be here
[12:09] Lazarus Loxely: do we need to leave this till tomorrow night
to re-read the plan and come prepared as up till an hour ago we didnt
know which had won
[12:10] Xara Thespian: time has run out just about
[12:10] Lilac Magic (lilac.lupindo): I think that's good idea
actually
[12:10] DeeDee Bookmite: I am out all day tomorrow with my husband
so might not make it
[12:10] Xara Thespian: yes
[12:10] Hatshepsut Linette: depends on whether Outopians will be
given permission to do things for themselves re dealing with problems
[12:10] DeeDee Bookmite: if we are leaving I think we should have
more than one day
[12:10] Hatshepsut Linette: and no-one has told us that yet
[12:11] Hatshepsut Linette: I will certainly tidy things up and try
to add what I can tomorrow during the day
[12:11] Lazarus Loxely: i dont think OU will want to have any kind
of hands on approach, just my opinion
[12:11] DeeDee Bookmite: no I agree
[12:11] Hatshepsut Linette: I tend to agree - but we need to know
that
[12:11] MarionGE: Can we submit what we have and tell them we'll
work on it for the next meeting? Then they can come back to us on
issues where they have an opinion
[12:11] DeeDee Bookmite: I think they want us to take responsibility
[12:11] Xara Thespian: Well yhats what Niall said
[12:11] Aseret Quintessa: have none of the other plans any ideas
that could be incorporated with their agreement of course
[12:12] DeeDee Bookmite: of course people can go higher than the
Outopian people in charge if they have big problems
[12:12] Aseret Quintessa: for risk, griefing and any points that
need covering?
[12:12] Hatshepsut Linette: also true Dee
[12:12] Aseret Quintessa: to save you time Hats
[12:12] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): the ability to eject needs to
be a specific hands
[12:12] Hatshepsut Linette: I will certainly re-read things tomorrow
[12:12] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): not everyone can
[12:12] MarionGE: I'm happy for you to nick anything you like
[12:12] Hatshepsut Linette: thank you Marion
[12:13] Lazarus Loxely: do all plan proposers here tonight feel the
same?
[12:13] Lazarus Loxely: can anything good be nicked?
[12:13] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): yes for me
[12:13] DeeDee Bookmite: all possession is theft
[12:13] Aseret Quintessa: lol
[12:13] DeeDee Bookmite: or something
[12:14] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): but ask CQ
[12:14] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): as well
[12:14] Hatshepsut Linette: CQ?
[12:14] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): sorry dog on knee
[12:14] DeeDee Bookmite: lol
[12:14] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): typing difficult
[12:15] Hatshepsut Linette: I have some questions Mr chariman if I
may?
[12:15] MarionGE: Do we absolutely need the definitive plan tomorrow
or can an interim one suffice?
[12:15] Lazarus Loxely: just go for it lol
[12:16] Commander Quandry: I put my proposal forward to be used by
the community. I do not own it, and you can have any of it you want.
[12:16] Lazarus Loxely: any plan is interim i think
[12:16] Lazarus Loxely: thanks CQ
[12:16] Aseret Quintessa: the plan has to be in March 2nd Marion
[12:16] Hatshepsut Linette: the interim is very messy as it is
Marion it needs tidying
[12:16] Xara Thespian: I think it was to be a proper proposal
[12:16] Hatshepsut Linette: extra explanations sorting and putting
inot better order
[12:16] Hatshepsut Linette: into*
[12:17] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): I think if you use the fromat
Marion used for all the plans
[12:17] Lazarus Loxely: i dont think anything is set in stone
though, if it isn't working after a period i am sure they wont stop
us changing anything
[12:17] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): that would work
[12:17] Hatshepsut Linette: but I need to ask the group about number
of meeting people would like to see
[12:17] Hatshepsut Linette: as I left that very open
[12:17] Hatshepsut Linette: monthly, bi-monthly etc
[12:17] Aseret Quintessa: you mean community meetings Hats?
[12:17] Hatshepsut Linette: yes
[12:18] Aseret Quintessa: I think one a month but would come more if
need be
[12:18] DeeDee Bookmite: going by tonights numbers best not set it
too high
[12:18] Elsbeth Biedermann: I think monthly at least at first
[12:18] Xara Thespian: more at the beginning?
[12:18] DeeDee Bookmite: yes
[12:18] Hatshepsut Linette: monthly at first would be my vote too
[12:18] Elsbeth Biedermann: maybe less later
[12:18] Hatshepsut Linette: ok
[12:18] Xara Thespian: then less as things sort out
[12:18] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): next question
[12:18] Hatshepsut Linette: will put that down now
[12:18] Elsbeth Biedermann: we don't need to be bogged down later on
[12:18] DeeDee Bookmite: yes once things are established it
shouldn't take lots of meetings
[12:18] Xara Thespian: no
[12:18] Aseret Quintessa: no not at all
[12:19] Hatshepsut Linette: also open was number of facilitators
(land managers) suggest we have 3 plus rep and events co-ord to make
the 5
[12:19] Shailey Garfield: Xara, good to see you in the local chat
although I can't see you
[12:19] DeeDee Bookmite: the 5 what?
[12:19] Xara Thespian: hello
[12:19] Hatshepsut Linette: the 3 min and 5 max I wrote down
[12:19] Xara Thespian: Is that going top be enough
[12:19] Hatshepsut Linette: as being under facilitators
[12:20] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): has to 3 minimum
[12:20] Elsbeth Biedermann: if it's a choice of 3 or 5, I'd go for 5
[12:20] DeeDee Bookmite: 5 with land rights you mean?
[12:20] Hatshepsut Linette: they are not the builders Xara they are
ones able to give permissions
[12:20] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): the more the better
[12:20] Lazarus Loxely: if we can get 5 great
[12:20] Hatshepsut Linette: ok 5
[12:20] Xara Thespian: yes but rl gets in the way a lot
[12:20] Hatshepsut Linette: will make sure I keep it to 5
[12:20] Lazarus Loxely: better 3 who are on a lot than 5 barely here
[12:21] Xara Thespian: so 5 would be my choice
[12:21] Hatshepsut Linette: also true Laz
[12:21] Commander Quandry: 5
[12:21] Lazarus Loxely: sounds like 5?
[12:21] MarionGE: Do we want to require a certain number of hours to
qualify as a land manager?
[12:21] Xara Thespian: no good if you are not about
[12:21] Aseret Quintessa: I think it has to be people who are around
a lot
[12:21] DeeDee Bookmite: hmmm perhaps, little poin having a land
manager who is never here
[12:22] DeeDee Bookmite: *point
[12:22] Hatshepsut Linette: any objections to my leaving the how we
select as it is basically - ie Niall in world, Niall selects from
recommended or voted for by group depending on what we are finally
allowed to do
[12:22] Arthur5: I was just AFK going over all the plans and one
item really stands out for me, CQ & Kereds Item 4.
[12:22] Arthur5: The ability to build on open spaces would be
available for those in the Outopia group provided that they have been
verified as having a link to the OU – Verified through the OU, alumni
or ex staff because at some point we will all become un OU verified
and I for one would not want to lose the skills of those that have
been with the OU and Outopia for a long time (risk we need a way to
verify these other people) -- not for voting as that is defined by
the OU
[12:22] Shailey Garfield: Please let the village green be there; I
absolutely love it (sorry to interrupt); I came to start a village
green and bell ringing save campaign :-)
[12:22] Lazarus Loxely: ok thanks both can we finish with
facilitators first please
[12:22] DeeDee Bookmite: if there is a village would it be a village
green?
[12:23] DeeDee Bookmite: isn't
[12:23] DeeDee Bookmite: yes Laz, 5 then?
[12:23] Hatshepsut Linette: the sandbox bit can be green or anything
you want
[12:23] DeeDee Bookmite: purple
[12:23] Xara Thespian: yes
[12:23] Commander Quandry: I vote Orange
[12:23] Commander Quandry: or OU Blue
[12:23] Xara Thespian: seriously though
[12:23] DeeDee Bookmite: purple with blue and orange spots?
[12:24] DeeDee Bookmite: kk chair get control of your meeting ;P
[12:24] Xara Thespian: do we nrrd to get back to plan
[12:24] Xara Thespian: need
[12:24] Lazarus Loxely: tried and gave up as am wondering what
colour myself
[12:24] Hatshepsut Linette: I will post question again - any
objections to my leaving the how we select as it is basically - ie
Niall in world, Niall selects from recommended or voted for by group
depending on what we are finally allowed to do
[12:24] Hatshepsut Linette: this is the voting for the facilitators
part
[12:24] DeeDee Bookmite: lol Laz
[12:24] MarionGE: I think leave in the 3 but state our preference
for deciding for ourselves
[12:25] Hatshepsut Linette: yes agree
[12:25] Arthur5: Does Niall want that?
[12:25] Hatshepsut Linette: no idea Arthur that is the problem
[12:25] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): has to be voting
[12:25] Lazarus Loxely: i don't want Niall involved inworld as i
dont think he wants to be
[12:25] Xara Thespian: You could try but what Niall wants to do?
[12:25] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): naill does not know us
[12:25] Commander Quandry: I think we need to tell them what we
want.
[12:25] Elsbeth Biedermann: brb afk sorry
[12:25] Commander Quandry: I also think that is what they are
expecting
[12:25] Lazarus Loxely: yes i say voted positions
[12:25] Xara Thespian: I feel we need to make our own way
[12:26] Hatshepsut Linette: do majority say vote only?
[12:26] Shailey Garfield: I agree, Xara
[12:26] Aseret Quintessa: I got the impression Niall wanted to leave
us to it and only be involved in any major problems
[12:26] Shailey Garfield: yes
[12:26] DeeDee Bookmite: yes he made that clear
[12:26] Lazarus Loxely: yep escalation only
[12:26] Xara Thespian: thats what came accreoos
[12:26] Xara Thespian: accross
[12:26] Hennamono Morpork: That was my understanding
[12:26] Arthur5: I know he has his own life to lead, but given the
nature of tonights meeting, he could have made the effort to attend
to guide us. I think he should be invited to.
[12:27] Lazarus Loxely: so we will vote and tell them who we have
placed?
[12:27] Xara Thespian: Why not
[12:27] MarionGE: sounds good.
[12:27] Arthur5: Sure.
[12:27] Hatshepsut Linette: just asking for comfirmation before I
alter anything so vote is the answer yes?
[12:27] Hennamono Morpork: Yes
[12:27] Aseret Quintessa: yes
[12:27] Lazarus Loxely: yes
[12:27] Arthur5: Yay
[12:27] MarionGE: yes
[12:27] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): yes
[12:27] Commander Quandry: I do not want Niall to be needed for
anything - that would be a measure of success.
I believe anyone having authority on the island should be elected.
[12:27] Shailey Garfield: yes
[12:27] Hatshepsut Linette: ok ty
[12:27] Lazarus Loxely: seconded CQ
[12:27] Shailey Garfield: yes to CQ too
[12:27] Hennamono Morpork: Agreed
[12:27] Xara Thespian: we are capable of going our own way
[12:28] Hatshepsut Linette: I think so too Xara
[12:28] DeeDee Bookmite: yes we need to be, they made that clear
[12:28] Lazarus Loxely: did you have anymore plan specific questions
Hats?
[12:28] Xara Thespian: I would be happy to do what I could to help
informally
[12:28] Arthur5: Good, and if he starts saying no to different
things, we tell him that is our decision...
[12:28] Hatshepsut Linette: next questions - terraforming - I take
it we try hard to have these permissions?
[12:29] MarionGE: yes
[12:29] Xara Thespian: well if I can do it?
[12:29] Hatshepsut Linette: I think he may object but want to try -
all agree?
[12:29] DeeDee Bookmite: I think we are getting them aren't we?
[12:29] Aseret Quintessa: the builders sorting out here would need
them
[12:29] Lazarus Loxely: yes
[12:29] Hennamono Morpork: Yes
[12:29] Shailey Garfield: yes, to Hats
[12:29] Arthur5: Welcome Blaze
[12:29] Commander Quandry: If we have Estate Managers they will be
able to terraform.
[12:30] Blaze Greybeard: ty
[12:30] Hatshepsut Linette: welcome Blaze
[12:30] Lazarus Loxely: i think 'some' will be allowed them but we
can ask that at the next steering comittee thingy
[12:30] MarionGE: hello Blaze
[12:30] Blaze Greybeard: hi everyone
[12:30] DeeDee Bookmite: I think the permissions come with us taking
over the running ourselves
[12:30] Hatshepsut Linette: ok will assume that is the case in what
I write
[12:30] Lazarus Loxely: yep that was my understanding Dee
[12:30] Xara Thespian: We cant go and ask Niall if we want to
flatten a hill
[12:30] Hatshepsut Linette: I agree
[12:30] Lazarus Loxely: lol exactly
[12:30] Hennamono Morpork: Agreed
[12:31] Hatshepsut Linette: but not sure if he would be willing to
let us have those powers but worth a try
[12:31] Aseret Quintessa: He needs to know what is going on but not
by hassling him
[12:31] Hatshepsut Linette: ok
[12:31] You silently accept Item for the meeting from Arthur5
Resident.
[12:31] Aseret Quintessa: sorry that sounded bossy
[12:31] Xara Thespian: An odd state visit woulkd be nice
[12:31] DeeDee Bookmite: they said they only wanted contacted about
big issues not sorting land so I think terrforming will be passed to
us
[12:31] Xara Thespian: estate
[12:31] Lazarus Loxely: hey Art its the right time now put it out
there ;)
[12:31] Hatshepsut Linette: yes it would - pity as has been said he
has not given more guidance
[12:31] Aseret Quintessa: I think Niall wants us to succeed on our
own
[12:32] Hennamono Morpork: Could we report an intent to terraform
and if he doesn't say no go ahead with it?
[12:32] Commander Quandry: My point was, if we have people who are
Estate Managers they will automatically be able to Terraform.
If we do not then we will need Niall and that defeats the whole point
of this - IMHO
[12:32] Aseret Quintessa: and if we cooperate together we will
[12:32] Blaze Greybeard: sorry to interrupt, but the results of the
vote weren't on the website, so don't actually know which proposal
won?
[12:32] Lazarus Loxely: Hats won Blaze
[12:32] DeeDee Bookmite: they are on the website
[12:32] Aseret Quintessa: Hats plan won
[12:32] Hatshepsut Linette: I know what you mean CQ as I have land I
have terraformed myself
[12:32] Shailey Garfield: Hats was the winner, Blaze
[12:32] Arthur5: I am going AFK now. Sorry, but RL interferes.
[12:32] Xara Thespian: not where they were supposed toi be piosted
[12:32] MarionGE: Night Arthur
[12:32] Xara Thespian: night
[12:32] Hatshepsut Linette: bye ARthur
[12:33] Xara Thespian: so I had no idea
[12:33] Blaze Greybeard: thanks
[12:33] Xara Thespian: it said here lol
[12:33] Hatshepsut Linette: anything else anyone thinks I have
missed - risks plus questions mentioned?
[12:33] Xara Thespian: anyway
[12:33] DeeDee Bookmite: groups
[12:33] MarionGE: yep roles vs groups
[12:33] Lazarus Loxely: Arthur has one he wishes covered
[12:33] Aseret Quintessa: I need to know what is happening about the
Groups everyone knows I am very unhappy about having an Open Group
[12:34] DeeDee Bookmite: yes it is daft
[12:34] Xara Thespian: we are an open university?
[12:34] Lazarus Loxely: he wants something in there ala CQ/Kered's
about once you transition between student to alumni you can continue
in the sim without losing any rights
[12:34] Hatshepsut Linette: that can be added no problem Laz
[12:34] Hennamono Morpork: Having a closed group and having closed
roles in an open group ar e functionally equivalent aren't they?
[12:34] Hatshepsut Linette: as I agree with him
[12:34] DeeDee Bookmite: yes the university is called that but Niall
made it clear the sim is for verified OUer
[12:34] Aseret Quintessa: yes we are Open university but having a
group were anyone can say they are a student or staff doesn't make
sense
[12:35] Xara Thespian: can verify
[12:35] Hatshepsut Linette: we need to know that those who say they
are OUers are really so
[12:35] Lazarus Loxely: i certainly think those in positions of
responsibility need to be in a verified group
[12:35] Aseret Quintessa: yes we do
[12:35] Aseret Quintessa: absolutely Laz
[12:35] Hennamono Morpork: Exactly
[12:35] DeeDee Bookmite: we all do I think
[12:36] Lazarus Loxely: sorted then
[12:36] Hatshepsut Linette: but can be done via roles or groups as
Henn says
[12:36] DeeDee Bookmite: with separte roles in the verified group
[12:36] Hatshepsut Linette: as long as we know who is who
[12:36] Aseret Quintessa: I don't agree
[12:36] Xara Thespian: what about newcomers
[12:36] Lazarus Loxely: yep that's how it works in most sims i visit
[12:36] Blaze Greybeard: how would you go about verifying sl names
against rl? by OU PI?
[12:36] DeeDee Bookmite: but we do not know who is who
[12:36] DeeDee Bookmite: as Niall said, using the website
[12:36] Hatshepsut Linette: email from OU address would work
[12:36] Aseret Quintessa: I feel that as long as Students and Staff
are mixed in how are we to know who is who in world
[12:37] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): log onto forum with sl name
[12:37] DeeDee Bookmite: nope email alone doesn't really verifiy an
individual
[12:37] Xara Thespian: can be traced back
[12:37] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): they you know they are OU
[12:37] Aseret Quintessa: I have taken people at their word in here
as students tutors but its not always been true
[12:37] DeeDee Bookmite: yes
[12:37] Hennamono Morpork: Nothing 100% identifies an individual
[12:37] Aseret Quintessa: no it doesn't Henn
[12:37] Aseret Quintessa: but we have to try
[12:37] DeeDee Bookmite: no but for risk assessment purposes we have
to be as sure as we can be and that means the website
[12:38] Xara Thespian: sombody siad about student home
[12:38] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): if they can loginto the
OUtopian forum then they are student or staff
[12:38] DeeDee Bookmite: yes
[12:38] Commander Quandry: I think these things can be worked out
if, and when, we have control.
[12:38] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): then they gieve there SL name
[12:38] Hatshepsut Linette: yes agreed -
[12:38] DeeDee Bookmite: yes
[12:38] Xara Thespian: yes
[12:38] Hennamono Morpork: Agreed
[12:38] Xara Thespian: the only problem is when fc goes
[12:38] DeeDee Bookmite: the open group serves no function
[12:38] Hatshepsut Linette: only for visitors
[12:39] DeeDee Bookmite: no there will be snoodle
[12:39] MarionGE: right I have to go. I think Open group so
newcomers can join immediately. Then verified group roles so that we
know who's who
[12:39] Aseret Quintessa: no it doesn't
[12:39] Lazarus Loxely: useful for visitors
[12:39] Blaze Greybeard: possibly something ppl add to thier profile
on studenthome?
[12:39] Aseret Quintessa: there could be a group for others
[12:39] Hatshepsut Linette: for dances or other events maybe - like
partners
[12:39] DeeDee Bookmite: no why do visitrs need to be in a group?
[12:39] Blaze Greybeard: thier sl name i mean
[12:39] Hennamono Morpork: Agrees with Marion
[12:39] Lazarus Loxely: some might want to be invited to events,
might just like it here
[12:39] Aseret Quintessa: I am not saying exclude
[12:40] Aseret Quintessa: I am saying one group for verified closed
[12:40] MarionGE: also aren't we supposed to be an advert for
propospective ou students
[12:40] DeeDee Bookmite: Yes
[12:40] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): anyone can be here just no in
the gorup that allows you the abilities to build etc
[12:40] Hatshepsut Linette: I agree with Marion too - if they can
join immediately they may stay if they have to go through hoops we
may lose them
[12:40] Aseret Quintessa: one group for others so they will get grop
notices
[12:40] Lazarus Loxely: yep exactly Kered
[12:40] Hennamono Morpork: Why complicate things with multiple
groupd when roles within group can do the same thing?
[12:40] DeeDee Bookmite: yes we are but the sim and rights on it are
for veriied people
[12:40] Aseret Quintessa: group
[12:40] DeeDee Bookmite: and I think for advert the other sims are
for that
[12:40] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): yes \henn
[12:40] Lazarus Loxely: yes we are all agreeing using different
words lol
[12:40] DeeDee Bookmite: this is a social sim for students and staff
[12:41] Aseret Quintessa: we have two grops that state Students and
Staff
[12:41] Aseret Quintessa: neither are for just students and staff
[12:41] DeeDee Bookmite: yes which is untrue
[12:41] Hatshepsut Linette: but what about those that are now
exstaff ro students which would they go into?
[12:41] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): not groups roles in the group
[12:41] Commander Quandry: I think this is irrelavant to the plan
[12:42] Commander Quandry: it is something that can all be sorted
out over time.
[12:42] Xara Thespian: Graduate
[12:42] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): yes agree its technicallities
[12:42] DeeDee Bookmite: that is what a plan is
[12:42] DeeDee Bookmite: technicalities set out
[12:42] Xara Thespian: Graduates etc
[12:42] Blaze Greybeard: the problem with using roles within the
same group is that there is a limited nunber of roles per group
[12:42] Lazarus Loxely: i agree, we can sort the groups and
verifications as we are all on the same page i think - verified for
responsibilities, unverified for notices as a guest / visitor
[12:42] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): we only have 2 days
[12:42] DeeDee Bookmite: we don't need loads of roles
[12:42] Aseret Quintessa: agreeed
[12:42] Hennamono Morpork: How many do we need?
[12:43] Jonno Stromfield is Online
[12:43] Aseret Quintessa: if we have a closed group for verified who
have variety of permissons all we need is a few roles
[12:43] Hatshepsut Linette: I have outlined 4 at the moment plus
visitors if in one group
[12:43] Lazarus Loxely: the roles are in Hats plan arent they?
[12:44] Hatshepsut Linette: yes Laz
[12:44] Hennamono Morpork: I don't see we need more than 1 group and
3 roles init
[12:44] DeeDee Bookmite: yes but the levels of permissions aren't
that huge. Terraform or rez is all we need
[12:44] Hennamono Morpork: in space it - I is not a chav!
[12:44] DeeDee Bookmite: lol
[12:44] Lazarus Loxely: personally i would have the visitors /
guests in a seperate group but only from having done it in another
sim
[12:44] DeeDee Bookmite: yes that is a better idea I think Laz
[12:45] Aseret Quintessa: Yes I agree
[12:45] DeeDee Bookmite: the OUs rep is at stake too
[12:45] Hatshepsut Linette: that is a good point Dee
[12:45] DeeDee Bookmite: I did see someone in the open group saying
women were animals likes pigs and should be beaten daily
[12:45] Xara Thespian: need to elect one i think
[12:45] DeeDee Bookmite: not wht the OU want to be assoicated with
[12:46] Aseret Quintessa: no not at all
[12:46] Hennamono Morpork: Pigs shouldn't be beaten daily!
[12:46] Lazarus Loxely: ok are we all happy with the Roles in Hats
plan? could you reiterate them Hats
[12:46] DeeDee Bookmite: people with sexual hang ups can go to
approprite sims
[12:46] Xara Thespian: We need an elected rep I think
[12:46] Lazarus Loxely: just the titles please
[12:46] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): Set 1 – Facilitators – ie
those giving the permissions, these must have all permissions for all
sets or they cannot allocate them on to others.
Set 2 – Terraformers (if separate) – these people might also be part
of sets 3 and/or 4 but certainly in set 5.
Set 3 - Those doing the area jobs (gardeners etc) – these would
possibly be in set 4 but certainly in set 5.
Set 4 – Land owners – the private building plots – these would
automatically be part of set 5 and possibly any or both of sets 2 and
3.
Set 5 - Those with public permissions ie those who can build on
sandbox and class area only.
[12:46] Hatshepsut Linette: beat me to it
[12:46] DeeDee Bookmite: lol Henn I nearly missed that and I agree
[12:46] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): lol
[12:47] Xara Thespian: all voluntary groups elect officers able to
do the job
[12:48] Jonno Stromfield: hello all
[12:48] Hatshepsut Linette: Hi Jonno
[12:48] Aseret Quintessa: greets Jonno
[12:48] Xara Thespian: proposed and seconded
[12:48] Object: Just gave myself to AdamWatson Resident
[12:48] Blaze Greybeard: hi Jonno
[12:48] Lazarus Loxely: sounds like we are all happy with Hats roles
then, awesome
[12:48] Hatshepsut Linette: thanks
[12:49] Hatshepsut Linette: I will do my best to sort it out
tomorrow using the mins here to help
[12:49] DeeDee Bookmite: you have done a greta job Hats
[12:49] Hatshepsut Linette: anysthing else I have missed please?
[12:49] DeeDee Bookmite: great
[12:50] Xara Thespian: your plan was pretty comprehensive
[12:50] Hatshepsut Linette: ty
[12:50] Aseret Quintessa: yes Hats this isn't easy to do and take on
board all opinons
[12:50] DeeDee Bookmite: yes it is all quite complicated when you
get into it
[12:50] Hatshepsut Linette: certainly not easy to be honest
[12:50] DeeDee Bookmite: no lol
[12:50] Lazarus Loxely: as of tuesday we are officially rep-less -
do we want to start asking for people who want to be considered for
voting via the forum?
[12:50] Hatshepsut Linette: tried to listen to what everyone wanted
in their wish lists
[12:50] Xara Thespian: Just glad we know wherecwe are going
[12:50] Blaze Greybeard: but whatever roles are appointed to sl
users, you still need to verify those accounts against real ppl
before allocating them surely/
[12:50] DeeDee Bookmite: good idea Laz
[12:50] DeeDee Bookmite: yes on the website
[12:51] Aseret Quintessa: yes its a good idea
[12:51] Lazarus Loxely: yes Blaze we have agreed to that, you are
right v.important
[12:51] Aseret Quintessa: Tori has done a good job bue we do need
someone else now
[12:51] Jonno Stromfield: Have we enough of a risk assessment in the
plan to keep the committee happy?
[12:51] Hatshepsut Linette: she has done an amazing job I think
[12:51] Lazarus Loxely: its a vacant position but essential so i
dont think we should wait
[12:51] Aseret Quintessa: but* sorry hard to type with paws
[12:51] DeeDee Bookmite: I also think the role of rep needs to be
made clear as I think Tori was given way too much work at times
[12:51] Jonno Stromfield: lol
[12:52] Xara Thespian: all posts i presume will be elercted by the
community
[12:52] Hatshepsut Linette: will be adding to that Jonno from other
plans - folks have given me permission to nick bits
[12:52] Lazarus Loxely: thats my preference
[12:52] Blaze Greybeard: and is that facility already on the
website? otherwis surely that needs to be done before roles are
appointed?
[12:52] Jonno Stromfield: feel free to nick from mine if you wish
too
[12:52] Hatshepsut Linette: thanks Jonno
[12:52] Lazarus Loxely: thanks JonnO
[12:52] Xara Thespian: handed over a few voluntary groups and the
election is important
[12:53] Hennamono Morpork: My time is up - bye!
[12:53] Hatshepsut Linette: bye Henn
[12:53] Jonno Stromfield: bye henn
[12:53] DeeDee Bookmite: bye Henn
[12:53] Aseret Quintessa: yes it is Xara
[12:53] Lazarus Loxely: thanks Henn appreciate you coming
[12:53] Aseret Quintessa: bye Hen
[12:53] Hennamono Morpork is Offline
[12:53] Xara Thespian: bye Henn
[12:53] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): hats you need to include -
nOUbie Support Group in the working groups
[12:54] Xara Thespian: we are lucky in that we know most of the
people with the skills
[12:54] Aseret Quintessa: Yes Noubies support is essential
[12:54] Hatshepsut Linette: nOUbies noted
[12:54] Hatshepsut Linette: they are mentioned in the plan but not
the groups so thanks
[12:55] Lazarus Loxely: Dee your point on the Rep - should we open a
thread to define the reps position, this could run alongside this
process as we dont need that finalised by Weds, as long as a rep is
mentioned in the plan
[12:55] Elsbeth Biedermann is Offline
[12:55] Xara Thespian: A job discription
[12:55] Aseret Quintessa: yes I agree
[12:55] Lazarus Loxely: yep
[12:56] Hatshepsut Linette: I know Troi gave us an idea of what she
had been doing some time ago -
[12:56] DeeDee Bookmite: yes laz, as I think the role became too
large
[12:56] Xara Thespian: not one i would fancy
[12:56] Jonno Stromfield: Perhaps we need to ask if anyone is
interested, too.
[12:56] Hatshepsut Linette: me neither
[12:56] DeeDee Bookmite: no way too much for one person
[12:56] Xara Thespian: had my share
[12:56] Aseret Quintessa: its no wonder Tori was run off her feet
[12:56] Lazarus Loxely: yes JonnO i mentioned that
[12:56] DeeDee Bookmite: yes that was noted above Jonno
[12:56] Jonno Stromfield: Apart from Laz, himself, of course.
[12:56] Jonno Stromfield: °͜°
[12:56] Hatshepsut Linette: rep and possible assistant rep or shared
role can be mentioned
[12:56] Xara Thespian: Li mits imposed
[12:57] Xara Thespian: and we need a backstop
[12:57] Lazarus Loxely: i can't JonnO chairman clash of loyalties
[12:57] DeeDee Bookmite: lol you are not chairman forever
[12:57] Xara Thespian: If sombody is unwell etc
[12:57] Lazarus Loxely: whaaat?!?
[12:57] DeeDee Bookmite: lol
[12:57] Aseret Quintessa: no 3 mins its over
[12:57] Lazarus Loxely: this was never mentioned
[12:57] DeeDee Bookmite: it's not like Emperor
[12:58] Xara Thespian: no and I outrank him now
[12:58] Lazarus Loxely: ppffft lucky i am rubbish at it then
[12:58] Hatshepsut Linette: you are doing ok
[12:58] DeeDee Bookmite: no you are fine
[12:58] Lazarus Loxely: meanwhile back on OUtopia......
[12:58] Aseret Quintessa: yes drag us back Laz
[12:58] Xara Thespian: we seem to have a consensus
[12:59] DeeDee Bookmite: yes
[12:59] Hatshepsut Linette: relief
[12:59] Lazarus Loxely: anything else we would want added to the
Plan or hats would you be ok for people to IM you suggestions as they
digest over the next day
[12:59] Xara Thespian: Laz you want blood as well
[12:59] Lazarus Loxely: it sustains me
[13:00] Hatshepsut Linette: I need to get on with it I think during
the day - tomorrow so I can post the final alterations for you all
asap
[13:00] Lazarus Loxely: how about questions for the steering
committee? I am told they meet once every 6wks and are not great at
responding if it isn't on their list
[13:01] Hatshepsut Linette: yes Nialls involvement is issue for me?
[13:01] Xara Thespian: or not
[13:01] Hatshepsut Linette: what and how often will he be available
if at all?
[13:01] DeeDee Bookmite: in what way?
[13:01] Lazarus Loxely: so far i got:
[13:01] Lazarus Loxely: - Do we get terraforming rights?
- How much involvement will Niall want?
[13:02] Aseret Quintessa: will we need Niall? I mean if the plan is
approved
[13:02] DeeDee Bookmite: hmm didn't he make it clear he wanted us to
run the place ourselves and the steering committee wouldn't be
greatly involved?
[13:02] Hatshepsut Linette: I know we want to go it alone but what
if they say no to certain things?
[13:02] Lazarus Loxely: and some others Tori has been asking for
details on for ages
[13:02] DeeDee Bookmite: they told us to go it alone
[13:02] Xara Thespian: WE respond as appropriate
[13:02] Jonno Stromfield: do we get terraforming rights? hats plan
says ALL rights so if they accept it, yes we do.
[13:02] DeeDee Bookmite: exactly
[13:02] Aseret Quintessa: and refined as we go then won't the Estate
Mangers take over the messing hard stuff
[13:02] Lazarus Loxely: works for me!!
[13:02] Arthur5 is Offline
[13:03] Aseret Quintessa: I may have misunderstood
[13:03] Aseret Quintessa: but I was under the impression
[13:03] Aseret Quintessa: that Niall really wants us to go it alone
and succeed
[13:04] Xara Thespian: thats my understanding
[13:04] Aseret Quintessa: its not like there arent experience
mangaers amongst us
[13:04] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): what about abritration and
discipline etc
[13:04] DeeDee Bookmite: he won't want bothered when we want to
flatten a hill as someone said
[13:04] Lazarus Loxely: yep we have all agreed, to ignore him
[13:04] Aseret Quintessa: sorry paws again
[13:04] Hatshepsut Linette: lol Laz
[13:04] DeeDee Bookmite: lol no we cannot do that
[13:04] Lazarus Loxely: can't do what?
[13:04] DeeDee Bookmite: but we have to show him we can make this
place work
[13:04] DeeDee Bookmite: ignore him
[13:05] Xara Thespian: if they afre not hapy with something we have
to stand up for ourselves
[13:05] Jonno Stromfield: that's a good question, Kered?
[13:05] Lazarus Loxely: ignore who?
[13:05] Aseret Quintessa: If the rep keeps the Steering Committe
abreast of what we do there can't eb a problem can there
[13:05] AdamWatson: MUST go now Bye all
[13:05] Aseret Quintessa: bye Adam
[13:05] Lazarus Loxely: bye Adam thanks for coming
[13:05] Jonno Stromfield: bye AW
[13:05] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): bye adam
[13:05] Hatshepsut Linette: bye Adam
[13:05] Xara Thespian: bye
[13:05] DeeDee Bookmite: bye Adam
[13:05] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): what about abritration and
discipline etc not mentioned in plan
[13:06] Lazarus Loxely: so we need a smooth talking Rep to tell him
what he wants to hear while we transform Outopia into a den of
iniquity
[13:06] DeeDee Bookmite: lol
[13:06] Aseret Quintessa: Arbitration is difficult area
[13:06] Xara Thespian: I think small matters can be dealt with
locally
[13:06] Aseret Quintessa: its a mine field
[13:06] Jonno Stromfield: all plans say we follow the OU code, so we
can't :(
[13:06] Aseret Quintessa: yes I agree Xarea
[13:06] Aseret Quintessa: but if anything bigger who does it
[13:06] DeeDee Bookmite: hopefully we will all act like adults and
it won't be needed much
[13:07] Aseret Quintessa: Xara*
[13:07] Xara Thespian: larger ones go to the next level
[13:07] Aseret Quintessa: looks at Dee
[13:07] Aseret Quintessa: given up being adult its boring
[13:07] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): need something in the plan
[13:07] DeeDee Bookmite: smiles deviously
[13:07] Hatshepsut Linette: have to follow OU rules on that -
[13:07] Xara Thespian: then if not solvable to Niall
[13:07] Aseret Quintessa: yes
[13:07] Jonno Stromfield: I would love to see us building up "case
law" over what is reasonable behaviour
[13:07] DeeDee Bookmite: we already have OU rules for that
[13:07] Jonno Stromfield: if we want to add an arbitration group, we
can.
[13:08] Xara Thespian: we are bound by Linden there
[13:08] Lazarus Loxely: can one of the roles take on arbitration and
if it needs it escalate to Niall if required
[13:08] DeeDee Bookmite: I don't thinkwe get to change those
[13:08] Aseret Quintessa: yes there are OU and Linden guides
[13:08] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): not cahnge but inmplement
[13:08] Lazarus Loxely: roles as in group as per Hats plan
[13:08] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): change#
[13:08] DeeDee Bookmite: OU are more strict rules than Linden
[13:08] Jonno Stromfield: we can, Laz. If people think it needed.
[13:09] Lazarus Loxely: OU pays the bill...
[13:09] Xara Thespian: yes we have both setsv is my point
[13:09] Xara Thespian: sets
[13:09] DeeDee Bookmite: no OU rules are there because it is their
rep on the line
[13:09] DeeDee Bookmite: I can't see them letting us change them
[13:09] Hatshepsut Linette: I have a feeling I read somewhere that
OU has to implement rules not us
[13:09] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): what do we do with a greifer
how are they dealt with its a risk
[13:09] DeeDee Bookmite: yes it is
[13:10] Lazarus Loxely: nah boot them
[13:10] Aseret Quintessa: yes and whatever happens here they won't
tolerate anything that brings reputation into disrepute
[13:10] Hatshepsut Linette: I did mentione greifer I think t the
start
[13:10] Jonno Stromfield: I think non-OU griefers aren't am issue
[13:10] Lazarus Loxely: if they return and grief again, temp ban
[13:10] DeeDee Bookmite: I guess we need a group role for that
[13:10] Xara Thespian: yes
[13:10] DeeDee Bookmite: I think if non OUers then ban
[13:10] Jonno Stromfield: OU griefers are a problem
[13:10] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): all part of diswcipline
[13:10] DeeDee Bookmite: why would we want non ou griefers back?
[13:10] Jonno Stromfield: We have to refer up to the Steering
Committee at some point
[13:11] Lazarus Loxely: for a perm ban on OU griefers yes JonnO i
agree
[13:11] DeeDee Bookmite: yes when there are things we cannot manage
[13:11] Aseret Quintessa: not really just sad people who are bored
but we don't want them putting real live students off
[13:11] Jonno Stromfield: I don't think we would, Dee
[13:11] Xara Thespian: when the time is right and the conditions are
met
[13:11] DeeDee Bookmite: well ban all griefers and if an OU person
is griefing tell them to wise up
[13:11] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): if OU and they get banned then
they should appeal to OU if we support the ban
[13:11] Xara Thespian: I sound like Tony Blair lol
[13:11] DeeDee Bookmite: lol
[13:11] Aseret Quintessa: lol Xara
[13:12] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): brb
[13:12] Lazarus Loxely: you got his dress too
[13:12] Blaze Greybeard: so what about simple things, like a
bloodlines person coming along and munching on a noubie? They
wouldn't be breaking LL rules, who would kick them off or ban them?
[13:12] Jonno Stromfield: Things can only get better, xara.
[13:12] DeeDee Bookmite: I think we need a group role fpr griefers
etc
[13:12] Aseret Quintessa: Blood lines are banned from a lot of sims
[13:12] Aseret Quintessa: or asked not to bite
[13:12] DeeDee Bookmite: stupid anyway
[13:13] Aseret Quintessa: yes lol
[13:13] DeeDee Bookmite: like big kids
[13:13] Xara Thespian: but not to then==m
[13:13] Aseret Quintessa: its like pyramid selling
[13:13] Xara Thespian: them
[13:13] Lazarus Loxely: CQ may know but i know sims where their hud
is disabled
[13:13] DeeDee Bookmite: yes and sucks in the suckers ;P
[13:13] Jonno Stromfield: back to an Arbitration and Discipline
role?
[13:13] Aseret Quintessa: looks serious
[13:13] DeeDee Bookmite: a group
[13:14] Jonno Stromfield: yes
[13:14] Xara Thespian: yes
[13:14] Xara Thespian: you cant act alone
[13:14] DeeDee Bookmite: charged with enforcing all OU rules
[13:14] DeeDee Bookmite: and Linden ones
[13:14] Xara Thespian: and Linden
[13:14] Jonno Stromfield: arbitration first
[13:14] DeeDee Bookmite: eh?
[13:14] Jonno Stromfield: try to settle things amicably
[13:14] Aseret Quintessa: I think common sense would say that
[13:15] Xara Thespian: We need to check on OU responsibility
[13:15] DeeDee Bookmite: if OUers they know the rules
[13:15] Lazarus Loxely: yes a chat logged friendly warning
[13:15] Jonno Stromfield: discipline and enforcement if that fails
[13:15] MarionGE is Offline
[13:15] Aseret Quintessa: yes they should know
[13:15] Lazarus Loxely: then boot their asses
[13:15] Blaze Greybeard: there need to be a number of ppl able to
eject/ban griefers, preferrably at least one available most of the
time, that could be tricky though
[13:15] DeeDee Bookmite: yes I agree
[13:15] Lazarus Loxely: my experience makes me agree Blaze
[13:15] Jonno Stromfield: We are all on UK time, so a 24/7 coverage
is difficult
[13:15] Commander Quandry: Estate managers can do that
[13:15] DeeDee Bookmite: I think we all need to familiarise
ourselves with the OU rules
[13:15] Hatshepsut Linette: yes CQ they can
[13:16] Jonno Stromfield: but should they?
[13:16] Commander Quandry: so it's covered
[13:16] Jonno Stromfield: no
[13:16] Aseret Quintessa: no Jonno?
[13:16] Commander Quandry: yes - they should in the immediate - then
a group reviews and the person can appeal to the OU if they want to
[13:16] Jonno Stromfield: it's only covered if estate manager do
that role, and I don't think they should
[13:16] Xara Thespian: if the arbitration goes through the stages it
is supposed to then goodbye
[13:16] Lazarus Loxely: well is it in your plan for it to be Estate
managers responsibility Hats?
[13:16] Xara Thespian: not acting alone
[13:17] DeeDee Bookmite: this is down to permissions really
[13:17] DeeDee Bookmite: re banning and ejecting people
[13:17] DeeDee Bookmite: griefers
[13:17] Aseret Quintessa: do you mean that a bad would need more
than one manager?
[13:17] Lazarus Loxely: but a boot or temp ban may need to be
instigated by a responsible person alone i think, as the griefers
presence could affect a larger group of OUers
[13:17] Hatshepsut Linette: it is not in plan that is one reason I
asked for input from group
[13:17] Xara Thespian: it's just a physical act of puishing a key
not the role ton decide who puses the button
[13:18] Jonno Stromfield: facilitators could be the ones
[13:18] Hatshepsut Linette: waht have I missed * point that is
[13:18] Xara Thespian: thats the groups role under OU and Linden I
would suggest
[13:18] Commander Quandry: to ban for the SIM you would have to be
an Estate manager or have group rights on all land parcels -
including any owned by OUers
[13:18] DeeDee Bookmite: yes
[13:18] Aseret Quintessa: yes that is so
[13:18] Commander Quandry: so it would have to be an Estate Manager
- and you can't stop any Estate manager from having the power
[13:18] Jonno Stromfield: yes, that's why facilitators could do it
[13:18] DeeDee Bookmite: so makes sense that estate managers do it?
[13:19] Xara Thespian: and the group couls ask you to eject sombody
if it had been through arbitritratin
[13:19] Jonno Stromfield: Not to be Dee
[13:19] Jonno Stromfield: to me
[13:19] Commander Quandry: really - why is this always so hard. If
we believe that anyone with EM rights would ban someone wrongly then
we are dead in the water before w e start
[13:19] DeeDee Bookmite: umm?
[13:19] Lazarus Loxely: i agree CQ
[13:19] DeeDee Bookmite: to Jonno
[13:19] Jonno Stromfield: we don't. An estate manager could be a
facilitator
[13:19] Blaze Greybeard: but frequently in sl, in my experience,
things can happen quickly and things can escalate quickly if the ppl
responsible aren't stopped. If this has to go to a comittee.... a
region could be lagged beyond belief b4 a meeting was held, maybe the
ability should be there to eject etc, THEN the case gets reviewed to
un ban if nessecary?
[13:19] Hatshepsut Linette: yes CQ we have to have trust
[13:19] Hatshepsut Linette: or we are done for
[13:19] Lazarus Loxely: we have to trust those we vote into these
positions
[13:20] Aseret Quintessa: I agree with Blaze
[13:20] Xara Thespian: yes thats what i mean they would only push
that button with the back up or the arbitration etc
[13:20] Lazarus Loxely: me too
[13:20] DeeDee Bookmite: I agree Blaze
[13:20] Xara Thespian: not just at a whim
[13:20] DeeDee Bookmite: yes Xara, someone to act immediately and
then a group to discuss things
[13:21] Xara Thespian: yes
[13:21] Jonno Stromfield: I don't believe it would be done on whim,
whoever gets this power
[13:21] Blaze Greybeard: what if an "arbitrator" isn't online or
available?
[13:21] Commander Quandry: we already know, pretty much, those who
are likely to hold these positions. I trust them all.
[13:21] Aseret Quintessa: No whims as that would be an abuse of
power
[13:21] Xara Thespian: we make it so
[13:21] Xara Thespian: email
[13:21] DeeDee Bookmite: do we?
[13:21] Xara Thespian: chatlog
[13:21] Lazarus Loxely: we just need core hours coverage
[13:21] Xara Thespian: if you want Outopia to run we need to run it
[13:21] Commander Quandry: it's not likely that someone we do not
know will get elected
[13:22] Hatshepsut Linette: agree CQ
[13:22] DeeDee Bookmite: no I guess not
[13:22] Jonno Stromfield: agreed
[13:22] Commander Quandry: I am happy to come in world at the
sending of an email, or even text.
[13:22] Xara Thespian: just the odd idiot that crops up
[13:22] Blaze Greybeard: on other sims i visit, if a staff member
ejects smeone they must back up thier reason by notecard of local
chat and or im's that related to the ejection
[13:22] DeeDee Bookmite: not sure I trust everyone I know in SL
though ;)
[13:22] Commander Quandry: I am sure others would too
[13:22] Jonno Stromfield: but, there are NO estate managers in hats
plan
[13:22] Aseret Quintessa: I agree Dee
[13:22] Jonno Stromfield: there are terraformers, which is close
[13:22] Jonno Stromfield: and facilitators
[13:23] Hatshepsut Linette: I called them facilitators
[13:23] Xara Thespian: we all have chatlog to back up our claims
[13:23] Commander Quandry: names, titles, whatever
[13:23] Xara Thespian: and need to be sure noubies know that
[13:23] Lazarus Loxely: exactly its the function that counts
[13:23] DeeDee Bookmite: it is difficult to prove griefing but
surely one witness is enough?
[13:23] Aseret Quintessa: it should be
[13:24] Lazarus Loxely: in most sims it is
[13:24] Lazarus Loxely: with a chatlog
[13:24] Aseret Quintessa: Linden ban on one persons say so with
chatlog
[13:24] DeeDee Bookmite: in one of the experiences I had, there was
no chat to log
[13:24] Blaze Greybeard: it is on my sim, one person enough i mean
[13:24] Hatshepsut Linette: a pic is useful too if possible if there
is tht sort of evidence
[13:24] DeeDee Bookmite: just a naked moron with a club
[13:24] Aseret Quintessa: photos are good but chat log will do
[13:24] Lazarus Loxely: oi it was a stick i had not a club
[13:24] DeeDee Bookmite: lol
[13:24] Xara Thespian: whta about in IM
[13:24] Aseret Quintessa: pff
[13:24] DeeDee Bookmite: looks at Laz
[13:25] DeeDee Bookmite: I didn't realise you were a moron
[13:25] Aseret Quintessa: IM abuse?
[13:25] DeeDee Bookmite: sorry As
[13:25] Lazarus Loxely: you can save like a chatlog
[13:25] DeeDee Bookmite: lol
[13:25] Aseret Quintessa: ;P
[13:25] Xara Thespian: Is IM private or can you use it as evidence
[13:25] Aseret Quintessa: you can use as evidnece
[13:25] DeeDee Bookmite: it is against TOS to show ims
[13:25] Xara Thespian: fine
[13:25] DeeDee Bookmite: but why not just mute
[13:25] Aseret Quintessa: if its abuse
[13:25] Aseret Quintessa: not just anything
[13:25] Aseret Quintessa: yes mute is great
[13:26] Xara Thespian: because others get the same treatment
[13:26] Blaze Greybeard: yes, im's count as evidence, since griefers
may im the person directly
[13:26] Hatshepsut Linette: you need to put it in your own profile
if you intend to use Ims in evidence so others know from the start
[13:26] Xara Thespian: yes a good idea
[13:26] DeeDee Bookmite: that declaration does not absolve people
from TOS
[13:26] Xara Thespian: is it legal?
[13:26] Lazarus Loxely: i know of LL bans based out of IM evidence
so it is valid
[13:26] Jonno Stromfield: I think in the case of making a complaint,
it is acceptable to use IMs under the rules
[13:26] DeeDee Bookmite: but I think where griefing is concerned it
maybe is ok to release ims
[13:26] Aseret Quintessa: makes no difference statement or not
[13:26] Aseret Quintessa: chat can be faked
[13:27] DeeDee Bookmite: yup same as Jonno
[13:27] Jonno Stromfield: It was last time I read the TOS
[13:27] Xara Thespian: oh
[13:27] Jonno Stromfield: you can't release it publically, but you
can show it to an authority
[13:27] DeeDee Bookmite: yes
[13:27] Xara Thespian: Can we legislate for everything?
[13:27] Lazarus Loxely: ok think we are into detail again though,
the main thing is a responsibility role for this in Hats plan isn't
it?
[13:28] Jonno Stromfield: Xara, why would we want to try?
[13:28] Blaze Greybeard: if things are serious enough for someone to
fake chat logs, it can be verified agains LL
[13:28] Xara Thespian: thats what i mean we cant
[13:28] Aseret Quintessa: nods
[13:28] Jonno Stromfield: sorry, i agree
[13:28] DeeDee Bookmite: yes Linden labs keep all chat and im
[13:28] Aseret Quintessa: yes they have to
[13:29] Lazarus Loxely: Is it more important to decide in Hats plan
which role will own this responsibility - we can start a thread to
decide the detail in the forum
[13:30] DeeDee Bookmite: yes it needs more thought I think
[13:30] Jonno Stromfield: I think it is important, and it can be
done through the forum
[13:30] Xara Thespian: Can we elect one person and then they chose
the appropriate persons to suppport them
[13:30] Jonno Stromfield: I don't want facilitators becoming estate
managers
[13:30] DeeDee Bookmite: no
[13:31] DeeDee Bookmite: I think we need clearly defined roles
[13:31] Xara Thespian: or is that too much
[13:31] Hatshepsut Linette: Jonno they are only so in name not
anything else - they only give out the perms
[13:31] Jonno Stromfield: yes, exactly
[13:31] Jonno Stromfield: that's what I voted for
[13:31] Lazarus Loxely: we do Dee, i am worried we wont get to the
fine detail in time for tues night though
[13:31] DeeDee Bookmite: I don't really agree with people choosing
who to support them
[13:31] Xara Thespian: yes I know
[13:31] Xara Thespian: we could get a rouge
[13:32] DeeDee Bookmite: could end up with a clique
[13:32] Jonno Stromfield: we don't need the fine detail for Tuesday,
do we?
[13:32] Aseret Quintessa: I don't know
[13:32] Xara Thespian: caan we just sat we would have a group
[13:32] Aseret Quintessa: I thought it had to be a coherent plan
[13:32] Lazarus Loxely: no just the plan, with responsibilities not
the fne detail
[13:32] MarionGE is Online
[13:32] DeeDee Bookmite: maybe we could list issues that need ironed
out for Tue and put them on the forum?
[13:32] Conover's Flight-Helper 6.3.3 (WEAR ME!): Flight-helper is
ready and operational.
[13:32] Arthur5 is Online
[13:33] Jonno Stromfield: Hi Art
[13:33] Xara Thespian: is there time it's Sun night
[13:33] Hatshepsut Linette: Hi ARt
[13:33] DeeDee Bookmite: WB Arthur
[13:33] Xara Thespian: Not fair to ask
[13:33] DeeDee Bookmite: lol probably not Xara
[13:33] Arthur5: Hi,
[13:33] Lazarus Loxely: but those issues can be worked on in tandem
with the plan going forward using the forum
[13:34] Jonno Stromfield: I agree, laz, we need to get the plan in a
fit state for the committee, that's all.
[13:34] Aseret Quintessa: it needs addressing now as far as we can
we will run out of time
[13:34] Hatshepsut Linette: we have a plan and I will adjust it as
best I can to take into account as many opinions as I can from this
evening - just as I did with original plan -
[13:34] Xara Thespian: can we recap what ned to be done
[13:34] DeeDee Bookmite: yes get the pla ready for Tue and in tandem
have discussion for finer detail on the forums
[13:34] Jonno Stromfield: if the committee have extra questions for
us, we won't hear them for 10 days
[13:34] MarionGE: have we discussed what percentage of community
have to vote to make it a fair vote?
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[13:34] Prash Mavendorf is Online
[13:35] Hatshepsut Linette: how do we define community in the first
place?
[13:35] Prash Mavendorf: hi all. sorry i am late.
[13:35] Jonno Stromfield: Hi Prash
[13:35] Hatshepsut Linette: Hi prash
[13:35] Xara Thespian: do we need to decide that now?
[13:35] DeeDee Bookmite: well for voting it is those that are
verified on the website but percentages, no idea
[13:35] Lazarus Loxely: no Marion, i think that is an issue for the
forum add to the list etc
[13:35] MarionGE: voting members? Just wondered if it is relevant
because of risk assessment
[13:36] DeeDee Bookmite: it is very relevant
[13:36] Hatshepsut Linette: it is relevant
[13:36] DeeDee Bookmite: but we don't need to outline it now. We can
outline on the forum
[13:36] Xara Thespian: not sure if now's the time though
[13:36] Jonno Stromfield: We may lose the website for voting
purposes. Greg said he'd keep it hanging around, but might have to
move it.
[13:36] MarionGE: one big risk on Sl is lack of participation in
decision making
[13:36] DeeDee Bookmite: is there anything others can do to help you
get the plan together for Tues?
[13:37] Lazarus Loxely: or just lack of participation
[13:37] Commander Quandry: once we have a list of verified, we can
keep upto date, voting in world will be easy
[13:37] Xara Thespian: yes we all have a consensus on that it seems#
[13:37] MarionGE: I can be available on SL tommorrow afternoon if
you want some help
[13:37] DeeDee Bookmite: yes but the steering committee have said
they will provide voting facilities for importan issues
[13:37] Jonno Stromfield: oh, good point
[13:37] Aseret Quintessa: yes they did
[13:37] Lazarus Loxely: v.handy
[13:37] Xara Thespian: yes when gthey arise
[13:38] Xara Thespian: Are we getting too bogged down in details
[13:39] Prash Mavendorf: yes and no.
[13:39] DeeDee Bookmite: Blaze you have experience on many of these
issues it seems. Have you access to the website to post your
experiences and ideas?
[13:39] Jonno Stromfield: don't think so, Xara. We have 3 days to
get the plan ready fro the committee
[13:39] Xara Thespian: I mean fine tuning
[13:39] Commander Quandry: they may have said that. However, setting
up voting will be very hard since we do not have back ground access
to the site and the LIO is going anyway.
We have to get to the point where we do it in world. It's not hard.
And a verified list will be needed for everything else anyway.
[13:39] Arthur5: When is the next meeting?
[13:39] Lazarus Loxely: i do think that lots of very important
things have been raised that will need debate on the forum - but with
2 effective days the focus must be a plan that allows for us to add
these fine details at a later date, not have them for tues nite
[13:40] Blaze Greybeard: yes, i am a current student, was able to
vote, so guess i can use the forums, have not done so yet though
[13:40] Xara Thespian: I agree Laz
[13:40] DeeDee Bookmite: your experience could help us
[13:40] DeeDee Bookmite: yes Laz
[13:40] Arthur5: http://learn.open.ac.uk/course/view.php?id=5201&m=3
[13:41] Arthur5:
http://learn.open.ac.uk/mod/forum/view.php?id=540963&direct=1
[13:41] Xara Thespian: Hats has a limited time to get it done
[13:41] Arthur5: These are the links to the forums. :)
[13:41] Jonno Stromfield: Can i ask about money?
[13:41] Lazarus Loxely: exactly
[13:41] Blaze Greybeard: i'll help with what i can certainly
[13:41] Lazarus Loxely: i charge £10 for hand
[13:41] Commander Quandry: how much do you want Jonno?
[13:41] Prash Mavendorf: no. i won't pay you jonno. lol.
[13:41] Arthur5: When is the next meeting?
[13:41] DeeDee Bookmite: lol
[13:41] Jonno Stromfield: do we need an income
[13:41] Lazarus Loxely: £50 for 1 hour
[13:41] Lazarus Loxely: and £100 for overnight
[13:41] Jonno Stromfield: not begging here
[13:42] DeeDee Bookmite: hmmm counts her pennies
[13:42] Prash Mavendorf: you are cheap laz.
[13:42] Lazarus Loxely: agreed
[13:42] DeeDee Bookmite: cannot afford you Laz
[13:42] Aseret Quintessa: gives Jonno a linden
[13:42] Jonno Stromfield: seriously, if we want to fundraise, how
will we handle money?
[13:42] Xara Thespian: have we not got what we need in our
inventories lol
[13:42] Xara Thespian: i got 20,000
[13:42] DeeDee Bookmite: good point Jonnp
[13:42] Aseret Quintessa: it could go in a tip jar
[13:42] Prash Mavendorf: we would need a committee account.
[13:42] DeeDee Bookmite: Jonno
[13:42] DeeDee Bookmite: we need someone to stash the cash
[13:42] Prash Mavendorf: which will be linked to a tip jar.
[13:42] Jonno Stromfield: lol, Prash. What committee
[13:43] Jonno Stromfield: ?
[13:43] Commander Quandry: the best way is a Alt that the elected
people have the log in for - the Alt holds the funds
[13:43] Xara Thespian: can we decide later
[13:43] Prash Mavendorf: i'm the committee. lol.
[13:43] Jonno Stromfield: yes we can decide later, I just wanted to
raise it as an issue
[13:43] DeeDee Bookmite: so someone raising money would give it to
the estate manager's alt
[13:43] DeeDee Bookmite: ?
[13:43] Jonno Stromfield: on the list
[13:43] Prash Mavendorf: or have someone in the OU responsible for
the tip jar.
[13:43] Jonno Stromfield: please stop calling them estate managers
[13:44] DeeDee Bookmite: lol
[13:44] Lazarus Loxely: sorry brb gotta grab milk for baby - 2mins
[13:44] Aseret Quintessa: awww
[13:44] Arthur5: When is the next meeting.
[13:44] Aseret Quintessa: dont keep that baby waiting
[13:44] Xara Thespian: calls himself the Devil huh
[13:44] Blaze Greybeard: there's an awful lot of threads on there
:-)
[13:44] Commander Quandry: why Jonno?
[13:44] Jonno Stromfield: We have had the discussion several times,
CQ
[13:45] Xara Thespian: But thats the title
[13:45] DeeDee Bookmite: yes what do we call them
[13:45] Commander Quandry: Estate manager is a Linden position
[13:45] Xara Thespian: Kered is our Estate managervof our sim
[13:45] Jonno Stromfield: Not in the plan
[13:45] Commander Quandry: I give up - I have absolutely no idea how
to communicate here
[13:46] Jonno Stromfield: They have a whole bundle of powers and
responsibilities that I don't want given to anyone here
[13:46] Commander Quandry: terminology gone mad
[13:46] Jonno Stromfield: yes
[13:46] Xara Thespian: Dont get hung up on names at this stage
[13:46] Prash Mavendorf: i agree with CQ
[13:46] Arthur5: Please, for the fourth time, when is the next
meeting?
[13:46] Prash Mavendorf: i don't care what we call them. even if we
call them estate managers.
[13:46] MarionGE: don't think it's been agreed yet
[13:46] Aseret Quintessa: none planned yet Arthur
[13:46] DeeDee Bookmite: as long as they don't hear, what does it
matter
[13:46] Xara Thespian: when is the next meeting the plan goes in
Tuesday
[13:46] MarionGE: when will the steering comittee get back to us?
[13:47] Prash Mavendorf: meeting on Thursday?
[13:47] Hatshepsut Linette: good question Marion - no idea
[13:47] Xara Thespian: no
[13:47] Xara Thespian: I am saying time has run out
[13:47] Commander Quandry: what power does an Estate Manager have
that no one should have?
[13:47] Jonno Stromfield: forget it for now CQ
[13:47] Commander Quandry: I really don't know though
[13:47] MarionGE: no point having a meeting till we have some
feedback
[13:47] Jonno Stromfield: we can try to talk anither time
[13:47] Commander Quandry: OK
[13:48] Xara Thespian: A plan has to be submkitted and we are not
doing it
[13:48] Hatshepsut Linette: suggest we say 1 week's time to see if
we have feedback
[13:48] Commander Quandry: good luck to everyone then
[13:48] Xara Thespian: you have your work cut out Hatty
[13:48] Jonno Stromfield: good luck
[13:48] Jonno Stromfield: °͜°
[13:48] Prash Mavendorf: I take it that Hatty's plan is king? °͜°
[13:49] Jonno Stromfield: oh yes
[13:49] Lazarus Loxely: yes she won!
[13:49] MarionGE: do you think next Monday? 7th? or 2 weeks 14?
[13:49] Xara Thespian: anything we can help with just shout
[13:49] Prash Mavendorf: woohooo. well done hatty.
[13:49] Hatshepsut Linette: I don't think it is a matter of winning
- just trying to get things going now
[13:49] Jonno Stromfield: the committee meeting is on the 9th,
right?
[13:49] Prash Mavendorf: u know what i mean. lol.
[13:49] Hatshepsut Linette: lol
[13:49] Prash Mavendorf: u r the chosen one. :P
[13:49] Aseret Quintessa: so after the 9th
[13:49] Arthur5: With all the work that you have just been landed
with Hats, was it a good thing to win, :)
[13:49] Jonno Stromfield: I'd have thought so, As
[13:50] Lazarus Loxely: after 9th makes sense
[13:50] MarionGE: who will be doing the Steering committee feedback
if not Tori?
[13:50] Prash Mavendorf: or we can have the meeting on the 9th in
the evening?
[13:50] Jonno Stromfield: Kick or Elsa
[13:50] Commander Quandry: we need to elect a Rep
[13:50] Prash Mavendorf: i vote for Tori.
[13:50] Hatshepsut Linette: that is vital CQ
[13:50] Commander Quandry: maybe that could be happening
[13:50] Prash Mavendorf: hands down every time.
[13:50] Xara Thespian: well if we have the plan accepted
[13:50] DeeDee Bookmite: Laz said he would ask for people to put
themselves forward on the forum
[13:51] Jonno Stromfield: yes, CQ, but lets not put ourselves under
pressure to do it by the 9th
[13:51] Commander Quandry: noms to Kick - he sets up a vote
[13:51] Lazarus Loxely: yep and Dee said we should define the role
more clearly
[13:51] Xara Thespian: yes job description etc
[13:51] DeeDee Bookmite: yes so the rep doesn't get lumbered with
everything
[13:51] Xara Thespian: been there myself
[13:52] Jonno Stromfield: we could do with Tori's feedback on this,
for sure
[13:52] Xara Thespian: you cant do every function on a commitee
[13:52] Aseret Quintessa: no you burn out
[13:52] Hatshepsut Linette: shame she could not be here - but
understandable given family issue
[13:52] Xara Thespian: writing a job description if she wants to do
it
[13:52] DeeDee Bookmite: keep it strictly rep between the community
and the steering com
[13:53] Lazarus Loxely: is it better to have a thread for people to
put themselves forward for rep? or should we just have a msg saying
those interested should inform Kick by ??/??/?? and he will set a
vote up
[13:53] DeeDee Bookmite: I think the forum
[13:53] Jonno Stromfield: thread
[13:53] DeeDee Bookmite: so Kick isn't inundated
[13:53] Prash Mavendorf: i think it should be private.
[13:53] Commander Quandry: I think it doesn't matter what I think
[13:53] Xara Thespian: do we need to know what experience they have
[13:53] DeeDee Bookmite: why Prash?
[13:53] Prash Mavendorf: so that peeps don't get pressured to stand
down.
[13:53] DeeDee Bookmite: how can we vote for them
[13:53] MarionGE: Think we'll need a job description otheriwse no
one will volunteer
[13:53] DeeDee Bookmite: Prash you cannot have a secret rep
[13:53] Lazarus Loxely: lol
[13:54] Jonno Stromfield: Yes, marion, but we have agreed to do
that.
[13:54] Xara Thespian: Everybody is stood dopwn
[13:54] Prash Mavendorf: i didn't say a secret rep.
[13:54] Arthur5: A secretive rep yes, lol.
[13:54] Prash Mavendorf: just a secret nomination process.
[13:54] Prash Mavendorf: lol.
[13:54] Lazarus Loxely: its not nomination is it?
[13:54] Xara Thespian: we need sombody with the skills
[13:54] The Wise Owl (kered.rickena): so someone could get elected
unapposed
[13:54] Prash Mavendorf: especially if it is going to be self
nomination.
[13:54] Commander Quandry: Order of the Secret Monitor
[13:54] Xara Thespian: not so
[13:55] Prash Mavendorf: indeed cq. lol.
[13:55] Jonno Stromfield: Diplomatic skills may be in short supply.
[13:55] Xara Thespian: if only one applicant we can readvertise
[13:55] DeeDee Bookmite: one way of cutting the workload down Prash
:)
[13:55] MarionGE: I think any volunteer will need to provide a 'CV'
on the forum so we can decide if they are suitable. Otherwise how are
wedeciding who to vote for
[13:55] Commander Quandry: Can you only have one elected position?
Or can I be elected to all of them?
[13:55] Prash Mavendorf: or extend the deadline.
[13:56] Lazarus Loxely: i'd vote you for all of them CQ
[13:56] Xara Thespian: i amnot showing an interest just to make sure
rthat is understood lol
[13:56] DeeDee Bookmite: the rep will be reporting what the
community say to the steering committe? and that is their role?
[13:56] Jonno Stromfield: mostly dee
[13:56] DeeDee Bookmite: oh get a room you two
[13:56] Aseret Quintessa: who?
[13:56] Jonno Stromfield: and asking the committee for stuff on our
behalf
[13:56] DeeDee Bookmite: Laz and CQ :)
[13:56] Aseret Quintessa: giggles
[13:56] Lazarus Loxely: hey i like a man in uniform
[13:56] MarionGE: I think one role one person. Otherwise it's going
to be a very small group
[13:57] Lazarus Loxely: and out of it
[13:57] DeeDee Bookmite: [13:56:01] Lazarus Loxely: i'd vote you for
all of them CQ
[13:57] DeeDee Bookmite: grabs sick bag
[13:57] DeeDee Bookmite: :)
[13:57] Aseret Quintessa: lol
[13:57] Commander Quandry: It's a serious question as I would not
stand for Rep if I wanted another position. But if I then didn't get
that, I would have nothing.
[13:57] Jonno Stromfield: so did we get a date for the next meet?
[13:57] Prash Mavendorf: *gives dedee a large sick bag*
[13:57] Lazarus Loxely: nope, when shall the next meet be?
[13:57] DeeDee Bookmite: I think you will be neede for estate
manager
[13:57] Prash Mavendorf: 10th
[13:57] DeeDee Bookmite: CQ
[13:57] Blaze Greybeard: i didn't see anyone put up a date yet,no
[13:57] Prash Mavendorf: 8pm
[13:57] DeeDee Bookmite: ooops sorry Jonno
[13:57] Blaze Greybeard: whoops, ok
[13:57] Prash Mavendorf: be there or be square. lol.
[13:58] Jonno Stromfield: grrr
[13:58] Prash Mavendorf: :P
[13:58] Lazarus Loxely: 10th? any other offers?
[13:58] Prash Mavendorf: only kidding. don't know when the next
weeting should be.
[13:58] Xara Thespian: sounds fair enough
[13:58] Jonno Stromfield: 14th?
[13:58] Jonno Stromfield: was suggested earlier
[13:58] Xara Thespian: will we have any feedback by then
[13:58] Lazarus Loxely: is that the monday?
[13:58] Jonno Stromfield: yes, laz
[13:59] Lazarus Loxely: more chance of feedback by then
[13:59] MarionGE: What's the likelihood of feedback for that date?
10th or 14th
[13:59] Aseret Quintessa: yes
[13:59] Prash Mavendorf: or the 11th?
[13:59] Lazarus Loxely: sold 14th! chaired by?
[13:59] Prash Mavendorf: Jonno.
[13:59] DeeDee Bookmite: CQ
[13:59] Aseret Quintessa: not me
[13:59] Jonno Stromfield: both after the 9th, Marion so good in both
cases
[13:59] Lazarus Loxely: CQ ;)
[13:59] Lazarus Loxely: big boy
[13:59] DeeDee Bookmite: lol
[13:59] Prash Mavendorf: Jonno to chair the meeting. lol.
[13:59] Jonno Stromfield: done one
[13:59] DeeDee Bookmite: Jonno did chair before and very well too
[13:59] Lazarus Loxely: prash
[13:59] Prash Mavendorf: can do another... surely?
[14:00] Jonno Stromfield: yes, prash
[14:00] MarionGE: dammit just realised I can't do the 14th. Sister's
birthday
[14:00] Prash Mavendorf: nah. can't be arse to chair.
[14:00] Lazarus Loxely: ok so Prash it is then
[14:00] Prash Mavendorf: i'll just make a mockery of the whole
thing.
[14:00] Prash Mavendorf: i chose Xara.
[14:00] Xara Thespian: no
[14:00] Jonno Stromfield: your privilege as chair
[14:00] Prash Mavendorf: i won't turn up as a chair.
[14:00] Xara Thespian: i just came backish
[14:00] Prash Mavendorf: I prefer this AV to be honest.
[14:00] Lazarus Loxely: not one to force anyone but should be
someone who always turns up...
[14:01] Jonno Stromfield: Stop dodging, Prash
[14:01] Lazarus Loxely: Dee?
[14:01] Xara Thespian: Kered -
[14:01] Prash Mavendorf: I'm not dodging. I won't chair a meeting.
[14:01] Jonno Stromfield: okay
[14:01] Jonno Stromfield: CQ?
[14:01] Commander Quandry: first choice, Prash. Second choice,
Prash. Third choice, Prash.
[14:01] DeeDee Bookmite: well CQ or Jonno then?
[14:01] Prash Mavendorf: especially as I haven't voted!
[14:01] Commander Quandry: I can not be certain of being able to be
here
[14:01] DeeDee Bookmite: pff and why not Prash
[14:01] Prash Mavendorf: my perogative.
[14:02] Commander Quandry: If I got a call from the US to deal with
I would be stuck
[14:02] Jonno Stromfield: stick your hand up, Commander?
[14:02] Xara Thespian: Chair?
[14:02] Lazarus Loxely: ok, does anyoneWANT to do it?
[14:02] Commander Quandry: I can do it if there is someone to cover
[14:02] Blaze Greybeard: so shall i turn up as a square then? :-)
[14:02] Commander Quandry: should I not be able to
[14:02] Jonno Stromfield: okay, CQ with Dee as cover?
[14:02] DeeDee Bookmite: lol Blaze
[14:02] Blaze Greybeard: a walking prim
[14:02] Aseret Quintessa: keeps quiet
[14:02] Lazarus Loxely: agreed and done!
[14:02] DeeDee Bookmite: hmmm no Jonno as cover :)
[14:02] Xara Thespian: keeps pout of it
[14:02] DeeDee Bookmite: he has proven track record
[14:02] Xara Thespian: out
[14:02] Jonno Stromfield: I've done my stint dee
[14:02] DeeDee Bookmite: I would just joke and mess
[14:02] Prash Mavendorf: u can pout if you want xara.
[14:02] Prash Mavendorf: lol.
[14:03] Lazarus Loxely: too late Dee you are CQs right hand lady
[14:03] Hatshepsut Linette: are we done?
[14:03] DeeDee Bookmite: you better not let me down CQ or it will be
a fiasco
[14:03] Prash Mavendorf: laz will be jealous.
[14:03] Jonno Stromfield: lol
[14:03] Aseret Quintessa: looks like it done that is
[14:03] Xara Thespian: you will be fine
[14:03] DeeDee Bookmite: me and CQ will work closely together on
this one Laz :P
[14:03] Lazarus Loxely: yep 14th 8pm, CQ chair unless unable and Dee
to hop on in his absence
[14:03] DeeDee Bookmite: unless I am working
[14:04] Xara Thespian: ah
[14:04] DeeDee Bookmite: then it will be about 9.30
[14:04] Lazarus Loxely: *** Meeting Ends! ***

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Chat log of community meeting on 13th February 2011

Logged chat of Meeting held on Sunday 13th February 2011,
on the village green, OUtopia.Aseret Quintessa acting as Chair.

[2011/02/13 12:11] Aseret Quintessa: right lets start
[2011/02/13 12:11] DeeDee Bookmite: kk
[2011/02/13 12:11] Jonno Stromfield: fewer people to wrangle into order for you As
[2011/02/13 12:12] Aseret Quintessa: welcome one and all and thank you for giving up your rl to be here
[2011/02/13 12:12] Tori Landau: 4 of us are birds for a start °͜°
[2011/02/13 12:12] Isis Sheryffe: :)
[2011/02/13 12:12] Aseret Quintessa: yes Jono it’s like herding cats ;)
[2011/02/13 12:12] Kered Rickena: prash is coming
[2011/02/13 12:12] Tori Landau: good
[2011/02/13 12:12] Arthur5 Resident: Is DavidMike coming?
[2011/02/13 12:12] Isis Sheryffe: Hi Prash
[2011/02/13 12:13] Aseret Quintessa: ty Kered
[2011/02/13 12:13] DeeDee Bookmite: Hiya Prash
[2011/02/13 12:13] Tori Landau: i'll ask DM
[2011/02/13 12:13] Arthur5 Resident: Hi Prash
[2011/02/13 12:13] Prash Mavendorf: hi all.
[2011/02/13 12:13] Rozetta Fierenza: hi
[2011/02/13 12:13] Aseret Quintessa: Welcome Prash
[2011/02/13 12:13] Prash Mavendorf: i'm just doing my ironing. so apology if i don't appear active.
[2011/02/13 12:13] Isis Sheryffe: lol
[2011/02/13 12:13] Aseret Quintessa: k we must start we can fill late comers in
[2011/02/13 12:13] Aseret Quintessa: are there any apologies
[2011/02/13 12:14] Aseret Quintessa: no?
[2011/02/13 12:14] DeeDee Bookmite: no never say sorry
[2011/02/13 12:14] DeeDee Bookmite: that's what love means
[2011/02/13 12:14] Aseret Quintessa: sighs ;)
[2011/02/13 12:14] Kered Rickena: not that i know of
[2011/02/13 12:14] DeeDee Bookmite: kk I'll behave
[2011/02/13 12:14] Aseret Quintessa: item 2 then
[2011/02/13 12:15] Aseret Quintessa: Matters Arising
[2011/02/13 12:15] Aseret Quintessa: does anyone have any points from previous the previous meeting?
[2011/02/13 12:15] Isis Sheryffe: not me
[2011/02/13 12:15] Isis Sheryffe: ty
[2011/02/13 12:15] Kered Rickena: no
[2011/02/13 12:15] Rozetta Fierenza: first one, so no
[2011/02/13 12:15] Jonno Stromfield: no. we said we's do some plans and we did.
[2011/02/13 12:15] Jonno Stromfield: we'd
[2011/02/13 12:16] Aseret Quintessa: yes and a lot of work from everyone who has put a proposal in
[2011/02/13 12:16] Aseret Quintessa: so that will give a lot for people to consider
[2011/02/13 12:17] Aseret Quintessa: can we move on to Item 3?
[2011/02/13 12:17] Isis Sheryffe: not sure I posted mine in the right place
[2011/02/13 12:17] DeeDee Bookmite: lol like the tag Jonno ;)
[2011/02/13 12:17] DeeDee Bookmite: ooops sorry - shuts up
[2011/02/13 12:17] Tori Landau: np isis, i used some of your's in the sandbox one
[2011/02/13 12:17] DeeDee Bookmite: yes item 3 The plans
[2011/02/13 12:17] Jonno Stromfield: hi, RS
[2011/02/13 12:17] Aseret Quintessa: I think we need to make sure everyone knows where the plans are
[2011/02/13 12:17] Isis Sheryffe: Hi Rs
[2011/02/13 12:17] Rozetta Fierenza: Hi
[2011/02/13 12:17] rs8877 Resident: Hi, Sorry I'm late
[2011/02/13 12:17] DeeDee Bookmite: Hi Rs
[2011/02/13 12:18] Aseret Quintessa: Even if it’s a new thread that says where to look for them
[2011/02/13 12:18] Isis Sheryffe: good idea
[2011/02/13 12:18] Tori Landau: Yes... it could list the names of all the threads that have the plans
[2011/02/13 12:18] Aseret Quintessa: Personally I think it would be sensible not to go over each of the plans
[2011/02/13 12:18] Isis Sheryffe: I agree
[2011/02/13 12:19] Isis Sheryffe: mine is far too words
[2011/02/13 12:19] Aseret Quintessa: that would take forever and I don't feel it would help at all
[2011/02/13 12:19] Isis Sheryffe: wordy*
[2011/02/13 12:19] Tori Landau: we could be here all night, and btw, i've replied to the sandbox replies
[2011/02/13 12:19] Tori Landau: as much as i can for now
[2011/02/13 12:19] Aseret Quintessa: yes the forum is the best place to discuss but what does everyone else feel?
[2011/02/13 12:19] Jonno Stromfield: I think we have about 6
[2011/02/13 12:19] Tori Landau: isis, it went up which was main thing
[2011/02/13 12:19] Aseret Quintessa: yes around that Jonno
[2011/02/13 12:19] DeeDee Bookmite: not many people are discussing there
[2011/02/13 12:20] Aseret Quintessa: no and we need to encourage discussion
[2011/02/13 12:20] DeeDee Bookmite: mine isn't a plan
[2011/02/13 12:20] Xara Thespian: people are bored with it
[2011/02/13 12:20] Jonno Stromfield: okay 5
[2011/02/13 12:20] DeeDee Bookmite: just a 'I want' list
[2011/02/13 12:20] DeeDee Bookmite: :)
[2011/02/13 12:20] Aseret Quintessa: lol Dee
[2011/02/13 12:20] Tori Landau: yes, but it helps Dee °͜°
[2011/02/13 12:20] Jonno Stromfield: we need to set up the vote.
[2011/02/13 12:20] Isis Sheryffe: yes
[2011/02/13 12:20] Aseret Quintessa: no I agree its time to read and decide
[2011/02/13 12:20] Jonno Stromfield: possibly we should have hustings
[2011/02/13 12:20] DeeDee Bookmite: it seems to be a bit too similar to others to be a plan
[2011/02/13 12:20] Tori Landau: Greg found out he can do multiple chioce which is a help
[2011/02/13 12:20] DeeDee Bookmite: hustings
[2011/02/13 12:20] DeeDee Bookmite: ?
[2011/02/13 12:21] Aseret Quintessa: Do you think hustings would help Jonno
[2011/02/13 12:21] Jonno Stromfield: I don't know
[2011/02/13 12:21] Aseret Quintessa: I think it would cause problems trying to discuss in world
[2011/02/13 12:21] Tori Landau: he's working on fining out if he can keep the plan threads to the top of ther forum
[2011/02/13 12:21] Aseret Quintessa: the fastest typer wins
[2011/02/13 12:21] Tori Landau: lol
[2011/02/13 12:21] Isis Sheryffe: lol
[2011/02/13 12:21] Aseret Quintessa: ;)
[2011/02/13 12:21] Xara Thespian: no i'm sorry I think it's time to act
[2011/02/13 12:21] Jonno Stromfield: just a thought, we could have a machimised debate
[2011/02/13 12:21] Isis Sheryffe: me too Xara
[2011/02/13 12:21] Tori Landau: What did you have in mind re husting Jonno?
[2011/02/13 12:21] Rozetta Fierenza: I didn't actually know about the forum...
[2011/02/13 12:22] Jonno Stromfield: a 45 minute debate
[2011/02/13 12:22] Aseret Quintessa: are you able to access the forum
[2011/02/13 12:22] Jonno Stromfield: 5 plans, 5 mins each plus questions
[2011/02/13 12:22] Aseret Quintessa: title suits Jonno
[2011/02/13 12:22] Kered Rickena: Roz http://learn.open.ac.uk/mod/forum/view.php?id=540963
[2011/02/13 12:22] Isis Sheryffe: but how many would come Jonno
[2011/02/13 12:22] Isis Sheryffe: ?
[2011/02/13 12:22] Jonno Stromfield: simply complimenting Dee
[2011/02/13 12:22] Jonno Stromfield: I don't know, Isis
[2011/02/13 12:22] Rozetta Fierenza: thanks for the link.
[2011/02/13 12:22] Aseret Quintessa: It won't work Jonno, talks in world are difficult
[2011/02/13 12:22] Kered Rickena: log in first
[2011/02/13 12:23] Isis Sheryffe: those interested can read the info
[2011/02/13 12:23] Xara Thespian: not many here tonight
[2011/02/13 12:23] Aseret Quintessa: never mind with 5 people plus listeners
[2011/02/13 12:23] Tori Landau: some og the plans have similarities though..maybe people could work on amalgamating some of them so that there would be fewer plans
[2011/02/13 12:23] Arthur5 Resident: For what it matters, hustings infer a competitive decision, I feel it would be much more helpful, if possible, to reach a consensual agreement on the best plans.
[2011/02/13 12:23] Aseret Quintessa: no Xara and as you said a lot are bored with it
[2011/02/13 12:23] Jonno Stromfield: a tv debate energised the general election
[2011/02/13 12:23] DeeDee Bookmite: I read Jonno's properly and mine is a cheap version so I am leaning that direction I think
[2011/02/13 12:23] Aseret Quintessa: lol
[2011/02/13 12:23] Tori Landau: brb
[2011/02/13 12:23] Jonno Stromfield: anyway, the mood here seems against it
[2011/02/13 12:24] Aseret Quintessa: I would be for it but SL is an ustable media for such a full on process
[2011/02/13 12:24] Aseret Quintessa: I don't believe it would work
[2011/02/13 12:24] Xara Thespian: have
[2011/02/13 12:24] Xara Thespian: I ahvbe watched and read all didnt need to be here
[2011/02/13 12:24] Aseret Quintessa: and we have lost people over the weeks this has been going on
[2011/02/13 12:24] Xara Thespian: yes
[2011/02/13 12:24] Tori Landau: back, sorry, my mum needed me
[2011/02/13 12:24] Jonno Stromfield: we appreciate your presence xara
[2011/02/13 12:25] DeeDee Bookmite: wb Tori
[2011/02/13 12:25] Isis Sheryffe: I tried to put lots of folks ideas for what they wanted together with a few extra ideas - but if you want to throw it out fine by me - I will not be upset - just tried to help in my own way
[2011/02/13 12:25] Arthur5 Resident: What about using voice, or are there some that do not have the equipment?
[2011/02/13 12:25] Aseret Quintessa: yes its good to have you here Xara
[2011/02/13 12:25] Xara Thespian: I am here because I am concerned
[2011/02/13 12:25] Xara Thespian: deaf
[2011/02/13 12:25] Tori Landau: re tv deabte idea, in theory i like it, just concerned about how wrokable it would be
[2011/02/13 12:25] Aseret Quintessa: some wont have equipment
[2011/02/13 12:25] Aseret Quintessa: nods and then it would need text as well
[2011/02/13 12:25] DeeDee Bookmite: Yes Isis it is helpful to have everyone's views and I feel they all have merits
[2011/02/13 12:25] Xara Thespian: more work more time
[2011/02/13 12:26] Aseret Quintessa: I feel we have to leave it as it is Jonno sorry
[2011/02/13 12:26] Jonno Stromfield: okay
[2011/02/13 12:26] Aseret Quintessa: are there any other comments about the plans?
[2011/02/13 12:26] Isis Sheryffe: yes good idea - maybe another time if we need new ideas for future and have more time
[2011/02/13 12:26] Aseret Quintessa: yes I agree Isis
[2011/02/13 12:26] Tori Landau: agree sisi
[2011/02/13 12:26] Xara Thespian: agree
[2011/02/13 12:26] Tori Landau: isis even
[2011/02/13 12:26] Rozetta Fierenza: i agree
[2011/02/13 12:26] DeeDee Bookmite: so what happens re the plans now?
[2011/02/13 12:27] Xara Thespian: wevote
[2011/02/13 12:27] Aseret Quintessa: yes we vote on them Dee
[2011/02/13 12:27] DeeDee Bookmite: okay on the website?
[2011/02/13 12:27] Aseret Quintessa: yes
[2011/02/13 12:27] Tori Landau: yes, Greg can set it up
[2011/02/13 12:27] Jonno Stromfield: I think we need to talk about the vote, and then the authors should put up definitive versions for the vote
[2011/02/13 12:27] Aseret Quintessa: lets move to item 4 and discuss voting
[2011/02/13 12:27] DeeDee Bookmite: and then the one we pick goes before the Steering Committee for approval? Is that how it goes?
[2011/02/13 12:27] Jonno Stromfield: or not as they choose
[2011/02/13 12:28] Jonno Stromfield: I guess so Dee
[2011/02/13 12:28] Tori Landau: yes.... sandbox plans needs a couple of things added from replies today
[2011/02/13 12:28] Xara Thespian: my understanding
[2011/02/13 12:28] Aseret Quintessa: yes I believe so
[2011/02/13 12:28] DeeDee Bookmite: okay
[2011/02/13 12:28] Isis Sheryffe: afraid I do not have time to adjust things - E-tutorial this week to prep for
[2011/02/13 12:28] Aseret Quintessa: the one chosen on the forum is put forward
[2011/02/13 12:28] Kered Rickena: me to
[2011/02/13 12:28] Tori Landau: voting would need to finish the sat before plan chosen has to be submitted
[2011/02/13 12:28] Jonno Stromfield: ?
[2011/02/13 12:29] Xara Thespian: no time for prevarication
[2011/02/13 12:29] Kered Rickena: sooner
[2011/02/13 12:29] Isis Sheryffe: what if there is a tie?
[2011/02/13 12:29] Aseret Quintessa: I don't know Isis
[2011/02/13 12:29] Tori Landau: so voting could start on....
[2011/02/13 12:29] Aseret Quintessa: if there is a tie it would have to put to the Steering committee there was a split
[2011/02/13 12:29] Tori Landau: 19th
[2011/02/13 12:29] Kered Rickena: as soon as possible
[2011/02/13 12:29] Jonno Stromfield: we need to decide the form of the vote and ask greg to set it up
[2011/02/13 12:29] Aseret Quintessa: yes I agree Kered
[2011/02/13 12:29] Isis Sheryffe: asap
[2011/02/13 12:30] Tori Landau: which is quite soon
[2011/02/13 12:30] Isis Sheryffe: yes
[2011/02/13 12:30] Aseret Quintessa: yes we do
[2011/02/13 12:30] Jonno Stromfield: we need to advertise it
[2011/02/13 12:30] DeeDee Bookmite: in the event of a draw we could have a sparring tournament as someone suggested
[2011/02/13 12:30] Xara Thespian: asap
[2011/02/13 12:30] Isis Sheryffe: true Jonno
[2011/02/13 12:30] Tori Landau: we need to allow Greg a couple of days to set it up
[2011/02/13 12:30] Rozetta Fierenza: yes
[2011/02/13 12:30] Aseret Quintessa: yes advertising starts now
[2011/02/13 12:30] DeeDee Bookmite: how long to vote
[2011/02/13 12:30] Rozetta Fierenza: advertising?
[2011/02/13 12:30] Tori Landau: and remember he only works wed, thurs fri on whole of OU
[2011/02/13 12:30] Aseret Quintessa: we need to tell all verified they have a vote
[2011/02/13 12:30] Jonno Stromfield: tell people that it's happening, Roz
[2011/02/13 12:30] Xara Thespian: but this is our future/
[2011/02/13 12:30] Rozetta Fierenza: ah.
[2011/02/13 12:30] DeeDee Bookmite: through the forum?
[2011/02/13 12:30] Tori Landau: a week people thought Dee
[2011/02/13 12:30] Tori Landau: yes
[2011/02/13 12:30] Jonno Stromfield: messages, IM's posters
[2011/02/13 12:31] Kered Rickena: why a week
[2011/02/13 12:31] Jonno Stromfield: whatever
[2011/02/13 12:31] Tori Landau: multiple choice
[2011/02/13 12:31] DeeDee Bookmite: a week?
[2011/02/13 12:31] Aseret Quintessa: then we need to advise him on now and ask if he can set up on wednesday
[2011/02/13 12:31] DeeDee Bookmite: thats very long
[2011/02/13 12:31] Aseret Quintessa: how long?
[2011/02/13 12:31] Tori Landau: a week was the suggesttion last meeting
[2011/02/13 12:31] Aseret Quintessa: do we need a week
[2011/02/13 12:31] Kered Rickena: a general ellection only takes a day
[2011/02/13 12:31] Jonno Stromfield: I'd like longer in case people are on holiday
[2011/02/13 12:31] Tori Landau: not really for everyone to have a chance to vote
[2011/02/13 12:31] Aseret Quintessa: an general election takes a day
[2011/02/13 12:31] Xara Thespian: we have talked when we need to act
[2011/02/13 12:31] Jonno Stromfield: no it doesn't kered. You have weeks for a postal vote
[2011/02/13 12:31] Tori Landau: we are acting xara
[2011/02/13 12:31] Rozetta Fierenza: a week is long enough, as people need time to make a decision
[2011/02/13 12:32] Tori Landau: two weeks was proposed origoinally
[2011/02/13 12:32] DeeDee Bookmite: okay but I do think a week is long enough
[2011/02/13 12:32] Tori Landau: then last meeting it was reduced to a week
[2011/02/13 12:32] Isis Sheryffe: yes I recall 1 week
[2011/02/13 12:32] Jonno Stromfield: can you expand as to why it has to close on Staurday, Tori?
[2011/02/13 12:32] Rozetta Fierenza: bad timing - sorry, I have to go.
[2011/02/13 12:32] Isis Sheryffe: Hi Laz
[2011/02/13 12:32] Tori Landau: the last day for submitting plan is the 2nd March
[2011/02/13 12:32] Titiana Haystack: well I'm away from 10 days starting from Friday
[2011/02/13 12:32] Lazarus Loxely: hi all
[2011/02/13 12:32] DeeDee Bookmite: HiLaz
[2011/02/13 12:32] Jonno Stromfield: okay, Roz. nice to have seen you
[2011/02/13 12:32] Isis Sheryffe: bye Roz
[2011/02/13 12:32] DeeDee Bookmite: bye Roz :)
[2011/02/13 12:32] Aseret Quintessa: yes we haven't time to mess about anymore
[2011/02/13 12:33] Rozetta Fierenza: I think I've got the ideas
[2011/02/13 12:33] Aseret Quintessa: bye
[2011/02/13 12:33] Titiana Haystack: bye Roz7
[2011/02/13 12:33] Tori Landau: the wed, ideally i'd like to submit it on the tues
[2011/02/13 12:33] Rozetta Fierenza: bye
[2011/02/13 12:33] Lazarus Loxely: bye Roz
[2011/02/13 12:33] Tori Landau: so need to know which plan is being submitted
[2011/02/13 12:33] Aseret Quintessa: I do think it has to be asap
[2011/02/13 12:33] Tori Landau: by the Mon
[2011/02/13 12:33] Isis Sheryffe: the earlier for you the better Tori
[2011/02/13 12:33] Jonno Stromfield: that's three weeks away
[2011/02/13 12:33] Isis Sheryffe: in case of internet probs
[2011/02/13 12:33] DeeDee Bookmite: so we have the vote as soon as Greg can set up the voting facility?
[2011/02/13 12:34] Isis Sheryffe: I think it would be best
[2011/02/13 12:34] Arthur5 Resident: I have to go now, nice to see you all, bye for now. :)
[2011/02/13 12:34] Tori Landau: exactly, my broadband has a habit of misbehaving
[2011/02/13 12:34] Aseret Quintessa: yes in reality it would be best
[2011/02/13 12:34] Jonno Stromfield: okay Art
[2011/02/13 12:34] Xara Thespian: bye
[2011/02/13 12:34] Isis Sheryffe: bye Arthur
[2011/02/13 12:34] DeeDee Bookmite: Bye Arthur
[2011/02/13 12:34] Aseret Quintessa: bye
[2011/02/13 12:34] Jonno Stromfield: cu
[2011/02/13 12:34] Lazarus Loxely: bye Arthur, have fun!
[2011/02/13 12:34] Tori Landau: yes... if we start voting on 19th, that is this coming Sat
[2011/02/13 12:34] Kered Rickena: so if it cant be set up before weds and a week to vote only leaves a week to sort it out
[2011/02/13 12:34] Titiana Haystack: gee thanks. I'll be away
[2011/02/13 12:34] Tori Landau: yes kered
[2011/02/13 12:34] Isis Sheryffe: can you log into internet whilst away Titiana?
[2011/02/13 12:34] Jonno Stromfield: that's why I wanted it longer
[2011/02/13 12:35] Titiana Haystack: not rreally it's a silent retreat lol
[2011/02/13 12:35] Aseret Quintessa: I think if people are away they should be able to register the vote as soon as the system is lve
[2011/02/13 12:35] Tori Landau: longer for ther voting?
[2011/02/13 12:35] Isis Sheryffe: shame
[2011/02/13 12:35] Titiana Haystack: but it doesn't matter
[2011/02/13 12:35] Jonno Stromfield: yes
[2011/02/13 12:35] DeeDee Bookmite: but longer doesn't necessarily help, people could be going away for 3 weeks
[2011/02/13 12:35] Aseret Quintessa: yes
[2011/02/13 12:35] DeeDee Bookmite: or more
[2011/02/13 12:35] Jonno Stromfield: unlikely
[2011/02/13 12:35] Isis Sheryffe: true
[2011/02/13 12:35] Kered Rickena: lucky them #
[2011/02/13 12:35] DeeDee Bookmite: not really
[2011/02/13 12:35] Tori Landau: I can ask Kick to set it up sooner, but it would prob be Thurs at earliest
[2011/02/13 12:35] Aseret Quintessa: and some will miss the date
[2011/02/13 12:35] Xara Thespian: ypou can’t legislate for everybody to be here
[2011/02/13 12:35] Jonno Stromfield: no
[2011/02/13 12:35] DeeDee Bookmite: agreed
[2011/02/13 12:35] Aseret Quintessa: I fee asap
[2011/02/13 12:36] Aseret Quintessa: but it has to be consenus here
[2011/02/13 12:36] DeeDee Bookmite: yes I think asap and Greg said it was easy to set up
[2011/02/13 12:36] Tori Landau: OK,... do we want Thurs then, if possible?
[2011/02/13 12:36] Isis Sheryffe: what ever Greg can do
[2011/02/13 12:36] Jonno Stromfield: asap
[2011/02/13 12:36] DeeDee Bookmite: Thurs yes and okay max 2 weeks to vote
[2011/02/13 12:36] Aseret Quintessa: I agree to asap
[2011/02/13 12:36] Tori Landau: it is, but he has other committments with the OU in sl remember ;)
[2011/02/13 12:36] Jonno Stromfield: whatever that is
[2011/02/13 12:36] Titiana Haystack: Don't worry about me, I was just using it as an example
[2011/02/13 12:36] Lazarus Loxely: yep asap
[2011/02/13 12:36] Xara Thespian: asap
[2011/02/13 12:36] Titiana Haystack: I'll go with the flow.
[2011/02/13 12:37] DeeDee Bookmite: does 2 weeks help you Titiana
[2011/02/13 12:37] Tori Landau: er, even thisThurs won't give us 2 weeks Dee
[2011/02/13 12:37] Xara Thespian: Outopia is OU
[2011/02/13 12:37] Titiana Haystack: no, it really doesn't matter DeeDee
[2011/02/13 12:37] Aseret Quintessa: okay its agreed Tori if you are happy to sort that out.
[2011/02/13 12:37] Titiana Haystack: sorry I shouldn't have said anything
[2011/02/13 12:37] Tori Landau: that would be up to 3rd March
[2011/02/13 12:37] DeeDee Bookmite: oh sorry I hadn't realised that Tori
[2011/02/13 12:37] Tori Landau: yes it is Xara, but OUtopia is only a small part of OU in SL
[2011/02/13 12:37] Xara Thespian: but this is our future
[2011/02/13 12:37] Jonno Stromfield: not in terms of activity
[2011/02/13 12:38] Aseret Quintessa: thing is unless we put forward a plan we have no sim anyway
[2011/02/13 12:38] Tori Landau: I will As, I'll email Greg after meeting
[2011/02/13 12:38] Kered Rickena: can’ have that long to vote or we wont be able to write up the full plan to submit
[2011/02/13 12:38] Jonno Stromfield: Okay. So do people want first past the post, or alternative voting?
[2011/02/13 12:38] Aseret Quintessa: k thank you Tori
[2011/02/13 12:38] Tori Landau: we need as full a plan as possible with each of them before voting, so that people know what is fully involved in each plan
[2011/02/13 12:39] Tori Landau: not sure that's possible Jonno
[2011/02/13 12:39] DeeDee Bookmite: I think first past the post
[2011/02/13 12:39] Tori Landau: I know only that multiple choice is
[2011/02/13 12:39] Lazarus Loxely: if they get anymore detailed i shall vote for the shortest one
[2011/02/13 12:39] DeeDee Bookmite: lol
[2011/02/13 12:39] Kered Rickena: i dont have time to re wite it all up again
[2011/02/13 12:39] Jonno Stromfield: I would really like us to have first second and third choice
[2011/02/13 12:39] Jonno Stromfield: first past the post sucks
[2011/02/13 12:39] Xara Thespian: we are out of time
[2011/02/13 12:39] Tori Landau: I'll ask Greg about it
[2011/02/13 12:39] DeeDee Bookmite: yes but is simplest
[2011/02/13 12:40] Jonno Stromfield: I would withdraw my plan immediately if it were first past the post
[2011/02/13 12:40] Aseret Quintessa: if it hadn't taken so long to get to this point we could have done alternative but its too late noew
[2011/02/13 12:40] Aseret Quintessa: now
[2011/02/13 12:40] Xara Thespian: why Jonno
[2011/02/13 12:40] Jonno Stromfield: there are others too similar
[2011/02/13 12:40] DeeDee Bookmite: the De Haut system maybe ? ;)
[2011/02/13 12:40] Tori Landau: why, ah
[2011/02/13 12:40] Jonno Stromfield: it would split the vote and Kered's plan, which I don't like would get it
[2011/02/13 12:41] Xara Thespian: I dont loke Tori's plan but would abide by the community
[2011/02/13 12:41] Aseret Quintessa: Dee said hers is a wish list
[2011/02/13 12:41] Tori Landau: maybe we could reach a consensus on some of the plans
[2011/02/13 12:41] Xara Thespian: like
[2011/02/13 12:41] Tori Landau: it's not 'my plan' xara
[2011/02/13 12:41] Jonno Stromfield: too late for consensus
[2011/02/13 12:41] Aseret Quintessa: do you want yours put forward to be voted on Dee
[2011/02/13 12:41] Xara Thespian: Kered has left he has had enough
[2011/02/13 12:41] Jonno Stromfield: if it's AV it doesn't matter
[2011/02/13 12:41] Tori Landau: that's his problem, not our's
[2011/02/13 12:41] Lazarus Loxely: i'd vote for Dee's with amendments such as have been suggested on the forum
[2011/02/13 12:41] Aseret Quintessa: I agree with Dee#s wish list so everyone knows
[2011/02/13 12:42] DeeDee Bookmite: no because when I read Jonno's, mine was too similar for it to be a proposal on it's own
[2011/02/13 12:42] Aseret Quintessa: kk
[2011/02/13 12:42] Xara Thespian: no thats a very unfair comment Tori
[2011/02/13 12:42] DeeDee Bookmite: ie it wasn't original lol
[2011/02/13 12:42] Tori Landau: there are simlilarites between sandbox plan and jonno's too
[2011/02/13 12:42] Jonno Stromfield: Hat's/Isis's and mine are v similar too
[2011/02/13 12:42] Lazarus Loxely: yours was bite sized Dee
[2011/02/13 12:42] DeeDee Bookmite: have people suggested I amend my widhlist?
[2011/02/13 12:42] Tori Landau: and yes, \isis's too
[2011/02/13 12:42] Aseret Quintessa: is Marion putting hers forward or your plan Jonno?
[2011/02/13 12:42] Aseret Quintessa: which one is the joint effort?
[2011/02/13 12:43] DeeDee Bookmite: yes a bite size, no 4 syllable word version of Jonno's lol
[2011/02/13 12:43] Jonno Stromfield: I don't know, As. She said she would log in while away
[2011/02/13 12:43] Jonno Stromfield: but she hasn't so I'm not sure
[2011/02/13 12:43] Xara Thespian: Well it looks like you will do what you want and nobody else matters
[2011/02/13 12:43] Jonno Stromfield: or if she has she hasn't said
[2011/02/13 12:43] DeeDee Bookmite: when they are too long I only read them half way
[2011/02/13 12:43] Xara Thespian: so I am off as well .I had hoped tghings had changed
[2011/02/13 12:43] Tori Landau: Sandbox one had a lot of input, i think it's the sandbox part, not having private plots that is the problem people have with it
[2011/02/13 12:44] Jonno Stromfield: that's the main problem I have, tori
[2011/02/13 12:44] Titiana Haystack: bye xara
[2011/02/13 12:44] Jonno Stromfield: bye Xara
[2011/02/13 12:44] Isis Sheryffe: I must be honest I like some idea of private plots
[2011/02/13 12:44] Jonno Stromfield: can't you stay?
[2011/02/13 12:45] Tori Landau: yes, they need to kept concise which isn't easy when people require more detail on some parts
[2011/02/13 12:45] Isis Sheryffe: I found that very difficult
[2011/02/13 12:45] Isis Sheryffe: bullet points would have been misunderstood
[2011/02/13 12:45] Tori Landau: i replied to your reply btw on the forum re the houses Jonno
[2011/02/13 12:45] Jonno Stromfield: yes, i saw
[2011/02/13 12:45] Jonno Stromfield: ty
[2011/02/13 12:45] Tori Landau: a way of mitigating it
[2011/02/13 12:45] Jonno Stromfield: not enough, IMO
[2011/02/13 12:45] DeeDee Bookmite: yes Isis I think private plots/flats provide a sense of belonging, a base and helps us keep people coming back
[2011/02/13 12:45] Lazarus Loxely: personally as nothing has to be set in stone, i would put the parts we cannot agree on in a 'to do' list and focus on banging what's left into a consistent vision
[2011/02/13 12:46] Prash Mavendorf: can i assume that the meeting will be minuted / summarised for later?
[2011/02/13 12:46] Tori Landau: it could be done as part of an overall sandbox idea
[2011/02/13 12:46] Prash Mavendorf: lol.
[2011/02/13 12:46] Isis Sheryffe: true Tori
[2011/02/13 12:46] Tori Landau: yes prash, my log will go up
[2011/02/13 12:46] Prash Mavendorf: i seemed to have missed a lot here. lol.
[2011/02/13 12:46] Aseret Quintessa: Can I just drag you back to the voiting a mo
[2011/02/13 12:46] Prash Mavendorf: thanks.
[2011/02/13 12:46] Isis Sheryffe: sorry As
[2011/02/13 12:46] Aseret Quintessa: np lol
[2011/02/13 12:46] Jonno Stromfield: I don't think there can be consensus between elected government and no government
[2011/02/13 12:47] Tori Landau: i would like that laz too, but seems we don't have time left
[2011/02/13 12:47] Aseret Quintessa: have we finished with talking about the voting
[2011/02/13 12:47] Jonno Stromfield: no
[2011/02/13 12:47] Prash Mavendorf: brb
[2011/02/13 12:47] Lazarus Loxely: and yet all i hear is how similar so many plans are...
[2011/02/13 12:47] Jonno Stromfield: AV or first past the post
[2011/02/13 12:47] DeeDee Bookmite: what about an open vote on the forum where people put their choices 1.2.3
[2011/02/13 12:47] Prash Mavendorf: first past the post.
[2011/02/13 12:47] Jonno Stromfield: why, prash
[2011/02/13 12:47] Prash Mavendorf: av is too liberal democrat.
[2011/02/13 12:47] DeeDee Bookmite: lol
[2011/02/13 12:47] Prash Mavendorf: lol.
[2011/02/13 12:47] Jonno Stromfield: for F***'s sake
[2011/02/13 12:47] Prash Mavendorf: but seriously, it would be easier. lol.
[2011/02/13 12:47] Lazarus Loxely: lol
[2011/02/13 12:47] DeeDee Bookmite: rofl
[2011/02/13 12:47] Tori Landau: need to find out what the forum voting is capable of first
[2011/02/13 12:48] Aseret Quintessa: we do alternative
[2011/02/13 12:48] Jonno Stromfield: not really, and very unfair
[2011/02/13 12:48] DeeDee Bookmite: how about a voting thread
[2011/02/13 12:48] Tori Landau: i'll have to get that from Greg
[2011/02/13 12:48] Aseret Quintessa: too much talk early on in this process
[2011/02/13 12:48] DeeDee Bookmite: we post choice 1 2 and 3
[2011/02/13 12:48] Lazarus Loxely: i have a large hat we could put slips of paper in...
[2011/02/13 12:48] Titiana Haystack: sounds nice and simple
[2011/02/13 12:48] Jonno Stromfield: I started one and no one has replied
[2011/02/13 12:48] DeeDee Bookmite: lol
[2011/02/13 12:48] Aseret Quintessa: I would like that but will people want to vote in public?
[2011/02/13 12:48] Prash Mavendorf: liking the idea laz.
[2011/02/13 12:48] Tori Landau: i doubt it
[2011/02/13 12:48] Aseret Quintessa: LOL Laz
[2011/02/13 12:49] Prash Mavendorf: i wouldn't want to vote in public.
[2011/02/13 12:49] DeeDee Bookmite: well it isn't as if we don't all know who likes what
[2011/02/13 12:49] Tori Landau: it needs to remain anonymous
[2011/02/13 12:49] Lazarus Loxely thinks prash just wants to see me hat
[2011/02/13 12:49] DeeDee Bookmite: why Tori?
[2011/02/13 12:49] Prash Mavendorf: i think we need a returning officer to accept the votes on behalf of the voters.
[2011/02/13 12:49] Tori Landau: soem people wouldn't vote if it was public
[2011/02/13 12:49] Jonno Stromfield: lol. yes, I'd prefer anonymous
[2011/02/13 12:49] Prash Mavendorf: i am happy to be the returning officer and not take a vote if necessary.
[2011/02/13 12:49] Jonno Stromfield: Prash is right
[2011/02/13 12:49] Isis Sheryffe: I don't care if anon or not
[2011/02/13 12:49] Aseret Quintessa: that is for the forum
[2011/02/13 12:49] Jonno Stromfield: but we need two. I hope Greg will be one
[2011/02/13 12:50] DeeDee Bookmite: well then we shall have to use the OU suggestion
[2011/02/13 12:50] Tori Landau: wel, on forum it would be Greg who is the returning officer
[2011/02/13 12:50] DeeDee Bookmite: they may only allow that anyway
[2011/02/13 12:50] Isis Sheryffe: I would think so
[2011/02/13 12:50] Jonno Stromfield: "They" ooo scarey
[2011/02/13 12:50] Tori Landau: i assume considering he'd be running the vote and yes, that is very possible
[2011/02/13 12:50] Tori Landau: lol
[2011/02/13 12:50] Prash Mavendorf: the problem with public voting is that everyone will see what everyone is voting and would make it difficult for any1 to make a proper vote and could be bullied to vote in a particular way.
[2011/02/13 12:50] Aseret Quintessa: so who will be with him do the job
[2011/02/13 12:50] DeeDee Bookmite: I doubt that
[2011/02/13 12:50] Jonno Stromfield: we have more birds than them
[2011/02/13 12:50] Tori Landau: exactly prash
[2011/02/13 12:51] Tori Landau: i never thought it would be public
[2011/02/13 12:51] Aseret Quintessa: it would be a lot of pressure when people could object about an outcome
[2011/02/13 12:51] Titiana Haystack: no the foolish owls have left
[2011/02/13 12:51] Prash Mavendorf: i don't really have a vested interest on this island, so i don't mind being the returning officer if Greg can't do it.
[2011/02/13 12:51] DeeDee Bookmite: yes I think even in real elections more than one person oversees the process
[2011/02/13 12:51] Tori Landau: btw, aplogies if i was a bit hardsh earlier
[2011/02/13 12:51] Aseret Quintessa: It would need two people to be returning officer
[2011/02/13 12:52] Isis Sheryffe: good of you to offer that Prash
[2011/02/13 12:52] Tori Landau: just frustrated
[2011/02/13 12:52] Aseret Quintessa: I think Greg and Niall would be a good choice
[2011/02/13 12:52] Titiana Haystack: no you were fine. they were waiting for an excuse imo
[2011/02/13 12:52] Aseret Quintessa: choice
[2011/02/13 12:52] DeeDee Bookmite: yes Niall
[2011/02/13 12:52] Prash Mavendorf: if everyone is happy for me to be 2nd choice, feel free to put me forward.
[2011/02/13 12:52] Prash Mavendorf: brb.... more ironing to do. lol.
[2011/02/13 12:52] Aseret Quintessa: Niall is on the committee
[2011/02/13 12:52] Lazarus Loxely: lol
[2011/02/13 12:52] Jonno Stromfield: okay
[2011/02/13 12:52] Prash Mavendorf: fee/feel.
[2011/02/13 12:52] Tori Landau: ok Prash, I'll mention it to Greg
[2011/02/13 12:52] Lazarus Loxely: i'm not sure i trust a man who irons tbh
[2011/02/13 12:52] DeeDee Bookmite: lmao
[2011/02/13 12:52] Aseret Quintessa: and it would better for Greg to have Niall
[2011/02/13 12:52] Titiana Haystack: lol
[2011/02/13 12:52] Tori Landau: laz, lol
[2011/02/13 12:52] Jonno Stromfield: lol, laz
[2011/02/13 12:52] Prash Mavendorf: i don't trust a man with devils horns. lol.
[2011/02/13 12:53] Aseret Quintessa: no never trust a man who irons ;)
[2011/02/13 12:53] Titiana Haystack: i don't trust a man
[2011/02/13 12:53] DeeDee Bookmite: yes I think it would be good to have Niall there over seeing it
[2011/02/13 12:53] Tori Landau: i'll mention it re Niall as well
[2011/02/13 12:53] Lazarus Loxely: ahhh good point Prash
[2011/02/13 12:53] Prash Mavendorf: cast whilst the iron is hot.
[2011/02/13 12:53] Aseret Quintessa: lol good on you T
[2011/02/13 12:53] DeeDee Bookmite: I agree and also never trust a man to iron
[2011/02/13 12:53] Prash Mavendorf: brb.
[2011/02/13 12:53] Titiana Haystack: ;-)
[2011/02/13 12:53] Tori Landau: (thinks she should have started a to do list and is grateful for chat logging)
[2011/02/13 12:53] Aseret Quintessa: I feel it needs to be split returning officere
[2011/02/13 12:53] Aseret Quintessa: we don't need accusations flying around after the vote
[2011/02/13 12:54] Jonno Stromfield: I never trust a no 5 iron. Had one break on me on the fourth hole
[2011/02/13 12:54] Titiana Haystack: bad workman????
[2011/02/13 12:54] Jonno Stromfield: °͜°
[2011/02/13 12:54] Tori Landau: i'm a bit confused As, what do you mean by a spilt returning officer?
[2011/02/13 12:54] Jonno Stromfield: yes, very much
[2011/02/13 12:54] Aseret Quintessa: either Dee's way completely open or closed and two returning officers
[2011/02/13 12:54] Aseret Quintessa: we need two Tori
[2011/02/13 12:54] Titiana Haystack: completely open
[2011/02/13 12:54] Tori Landau: ok, ty - Niall and Greg ideally?
[2011/02/13 12:55] Aseret Quintessa: there has to be two and it’s unfair on Greg to take all that responsibility
[2011/02/13 12:55] Aseret Quintessa: yes
[2011/02/13 12:55] Jonno Stromfield: fine by me
[2011/02/13 12:55] DeeDee Bookmite: I like completely open and would't have thought this a sensitive enough issue for people to worry about remaining anonymous
[2011/02/13 12:55] Tori Landau: agree it's unfair on Greg to be only one
[2011/02/13 12:55] Lazarus Loxely: yep so greg and niall asking greg to count them again, cool
[2011/02/13 12:55] Aseret Quintessa: if there is any upset it has to be fully backed by OU and two would shut people up
[2011/02/13 12:55] Isis Sheryffe: I am not so sure DeeDee some are more nervous than others
[2011/02/13 12:55] DeeDee Bookmite: yes
[2011/02/13 12:55] Jonno Stromfield: there's been a lot of bad feeling, Dee
[2011/02/13 12:55] Aseret Quintessa: sorry I am being bossy
[2011/02/13 12:56] DeeDee Bookmite: I suppose so, although tbh I am not sure why
[2011/02/13 12:56] Aseret Quintessa: I like open better
[2011/02/13 12:56] Tori Landau: I know there hat there are some epople who will vote if it's private, but it's why they haven't gopt involved due to some people on forum
[2011/02/13 12:56] Isis Sheryffe: I like open but some do not and would maybe not vote at all
[2011/02/13 12:56] Tori Landau: exactly isis
[2011/02/13 12:57] Tori Landau: remember that iwas asked by some to represent their views on the forum
[2011/02/13 12:57] Tori Landau: so they would certainly not want a public vote
[2011/02/13 12:57] DeeDee Bookmite: okay but if secret voting then I think it is good for OU to cover their backs by having Niall involved
[2011/02/13 12:57] Lazarus Loxely: my limited knowledge of online forum votes leads me to think it'll be anonymous anyway
[2011/02/13 12:57] Tori Landau: agree Dee
[2011/02/13 12:57] Titiana Haystack: but it's only variiations on a theme as far as I can see
[2011/02/13 12:57] Aseret Quintessa: I have no idea Laz not techy like that
[2011/02/13 12:57] Titiana Haystack: nothing senstive
[2011/02/13 12:58] Isis Sheryffe: I am sure Niall will want to be involved anyway
[2011/02/13 12:58] DeeDee Bookmite: yes though some plans were a bit authoritarian for my liking
[2011/02/13 12:58] DeeDee Bookmite: just small things
[2011/02/13 12:58] Titiana Haystack: yes DeeDee
[2011/02/13 12:58] DeeDee Bookmite: but important to me
[2011/02/13 12:58] Lazarus Loxely: yeah some Flo bird was on a right power trip
[2011/02/13 12:58] Jonno Stromfield: lol
[2011/02/13 12:58] Titiana Haystack: but I do my own thing anyway. Just do what I want elsewhere
[2011/02/13 12:58] Tori Landau: hehe
[2011/02/13 12:58] Aseret Quintessa: oi!!
[2011/02/13 12:58] DeeDee Bookmite: eh?
[2011/02/13 12:58] Aseret Quintessa: okay
[2011/02/13 12:58] DeeDee Bookmite: :P
[2011/02/13 12:58] Lazarus Loxely: ;)
[2011/02/13 12:58] Aseret Quintessa: so Tori has lots of jobs as usual
[2011/02/13 12:59] Aseret Quintessa: are you okay with all that Tori?
[2011/02/13 12:59] DeeDee Bookmite: haha yes pile it all on Tori
[2011/02/13 12:59] Tori Landau: the queries that have arisen re the sandbox plan i will try to find out
[2011/02/13 12:59] Tori Landau: plus the other stuff lol
[2011/02/13 12:59] DeeDee Bookmite: if you need a hand just ssay Tori
[2011/02/13 12:59] Jonno Stromfield: so what are the instructions?
[2011/02/13 12:59] Jonno Stromfield: As? Could you summarise, please?
[2011/02/13 13:00] Tori Landau: been thinking.... might be amalgamate some of them more, reduce number down
[2011/02/13 13:00] Aseret Quintessa: The plans that are on
[2011/02/13 13:00] Aseret Quintessa: yes Tori was just going to say that
[2011/02/13 13:00] Tori Landau: sandbox could include private plots as well
[2011/02/13 13:00] Aseret Quintessa: but they have to be quick
[2011/02/13 13:00] Tori Landau: yup
[2011/02/13 13:00] Aseret Quintessa: and that is you and Marion Jonno
[2011/02/13 13:00] Jonno Stromfield: why no leave it as it is? Give people a choice?
[2011/02/13 13:00] DeeDee Bookmite: basically there are 2 - Jonnos and Isis could be amalgamated plus CQ/Kereds
[2011/02/13 13:00] Tori Landau: and isis's plan - i borrowed bits from it
[2011/02/13 13:01] Aseret Quintessa: because it will split your vote
[2011/02/13 13:01] DeeDee Bookmite: oh yes and the sandbox
[2011/02/13 13:01] Jonno Stromfield: only if it's first past the post
[2011/02/13 13:01] DeeDee Bookmite: 3 main ones with only slight variations
[2011/02/13 13:01] Jonno Stromfield: if it's AV they can all go up
[2011/02/13 13:01] Isis Sheryffe: feel free to pick mine to bits if you like - sorry no time to do it myself until Wed at earliest
[2011/02/13 13:01] Titiana Haystack: splitting the voter does comlicate things.
[2011/02/13 13:01] Titiana Haystack: we should have pr
[2011/02/13 13:01] Titiana Haystack: oops vino
[2011/02/13 13:01] DeeDee Bookmite: lol
[2011/02/13 13:02] Aseret Quintessa: am I understanding that Tori and Isis might combine?
[2011/02/13 13:02] Tori Landau: if it is first past the vote then we need to ensure the plans are different
[2011/02/13 13:02] Jonno Stromfield: AV gets around the problem but we have to agree to do it.
[2011/02/13 13:02] Aseret Quintessa: and Jonno and Marion
[2011/02/13 13:02] Jonno Stromfield: Isis and mine are closer that mine and marions
[2011/02/13 13:02] DeeDee Bookmite: hmmm I thought Marion's was more like CQs
[2011/02/13 13:02] Titiana Haystack: I liked Isis's
[2011/02/13 13:02] Aseret Quintessa: so that is CQ and Kered, Jonno and Marion and Isis and Tori
[2011/02/13 13:02] Lazarus Loxely: i'd go for AV to help others who wish it if I am allowed to not have a 2nd, 3rd choice
[2011/02/13 13:02] Titiana Haystack: I could understand it
[2011/02/13 13:02] Aseret Quintessa: we need this sorted now
[2011/02/13 13:03] Tori Landau: ok, quick questiosn tonight - do people want any public space.... i mean.... can we have the public building areas plus private plots in one plan?
[2011/02/13 13:03] Jonno Stromfield: but can we please decide AV or first past the post, it would make everything else less of a problem
[2011/02/13 13:03] Aseret Quintessa: we are running over time just so everyone knows
[2011/02/13 13:03] DeeDee Bookmite: tsk 3 mins
[2011/02/13 13:03] Tori Landau: AV?
[2011/02/13 13:03] Lazarus Loxely: c'mon Quintessa get it under control
[2011/02/13 13:03] Jonno Stromfield: 1st 2nd and 3rd choice.
[2011/02/13 13:03] Aseret Quintessa: gets out the whip
[2011/02/13 13:03] Isis Sheryffe: Hi CQ
[2011/02/13 13:03] Tori Landau: ok, won't know that til i hear back from Greg
[2011/02/13 13:04] DeeDee Bookmite: Hi CQ
[2011/02/13 13:04] Tori Landau: hi CQ
[2011/02/13 13:04] Lazarus Loxely: how about 1st and 2bd choice, i am not sure we need to go to a 3rd, seems to dilute it for me
[2011/02/13 13:04] Jonno Stromfield: Tori, it's not a techincal question
[2011/02/13 13:04] Titiana Haystack: wondered where you were
[2011/02/13 13:04] Commander Quandry: hi
[2011/02/13 13:04] Aseret Quintessa: I think whether you like it or not it has to be closed vote first past post
[2011/02/13 13:04] Lazarus Loxely: hey CQ
[2011/02/13 13:04] Jonno Stromfield: Laz, the third choice doesn't come in if the first two decide it
[2011/02/13 13:04] Commander Quandry: forgot about the meeting TBH
[2011/02/13 13:04] Jonno Stromfield: hi CQ
[2011/02/13 13:04] Lazarus Loxely: lol
[2011/02/13 13:04] Aseret Quintessa: hi CQ
[2011/02/13 13:04] Isis Sheryffe: I can live with 1st and 2nd or closed first past post - no real pref
[2011/02/13 13:04] Commander Quandry: any good?
[2011/02/13 13:05] Titiana Haystack: so those with similar plans need to get together and amalgamate
[2011/02/13 13:05] Jonno Stromfield: Why, As
[2011/02/13 13:05] DeeDee Bookmite: still going on CQ
[2011/02/13 13:05] Aseret Quintessa: because of time limitiations
[2011/02/13 13:05] Lazarus Loxely: how about a 1st past the post vote on AV vs 1st past the post?
[2011/02/13 13:05] Jonno Stromfield: what?
[2011/02/13 13:05] Aseret Quintessa: we can't keep messing about
[2011/02/13 13:05] DeeDee Bookmite: lol
[2011/02/13 13:05] Tori Landau: excuse me... feel a bit dizzy here, just going to look away from screen
[2011/02/13 13:05] Jonno Stromfield: then ask people what they want?>
[2011/02/13 13:05] Aseret Quintessa: oh Tori ;(
[2011/02/13 13:05] Isis Sheryffe: bless
[2011/02/13 13:06] Aseret Quintessa: sorry I don't understand that Laz/Jonno
[2011/02/13 13:06] Jonno Stromfield: ADS please get this sorted by asking people, not just deciding
[2011/02/13 13:06] Lazarus Loxely: i was being a twat as usual apologies
[2011/02/13 13:06] DeeDee Bookmite: :)
[2011/02/13 13:06] Aseret Quintessa: not deciding am asking
[2011/02/13 13:06] Jonno Stromfield: we can easily do 1st 2nd and 3rd votes at the same time
[2011/02/13 13:07] Jonno Stromfield: the 2nd vote is used if the first doesn't settle it
[2011/02/13 13:07] Aseret Quintessa: are you talking about the forum Jonno
[2011/02/13 13:07] Jonno Stromfield: yes
[2011/02/13 13:07] Jonno Stromfield: or IM
[2011/02/13 13:07] Jonno Stromfield: or anything
[2011/02/13 13:07] Aseret Quintessa: no it has to be the forum
[2011/02/13 13:07] Jonno Stromfield: whatever is easiest fro mGreg
[2011/02/13 13:07] Tori Landau: ok, backish
[2011/02/13 13:07] Jonno Stromfield: via the forum
[2011/02/13 13:07] Aseret Quintessa: that is what they steering committtee want
[2011/02/13 13:07] DeeDee Bookmite: wb Tori
[2011/02/13 13:07] Commander Quandry: I'll vote for anything that moves us forward. At the moment OUtopia is stagnating
[2011/02/13 13:07] Isis Sheryffe: wb Tori
[2011/02/13 13:08] Isis Sheryffe: me too CQ
[2011/02/13 13:08] DeeDee Bookmite: I agree CQ
[2011/02/13 13:08] Tori Landau: yes, voting has to be done via forum
[2011/02/13 13:08] Aseret Quintessa: yes we are just trying to get straight how the vote will be done, Tori is speaking to Greg to get the vote organises
[2011/02/13 13:08] Commander Quandry: all the plans are similar. There are only a few differences.
[2011/02/13 13:08] Lazarus Loxely: agreed
[2011/02/13 13:08] Titiana Haystack: Actually as I named Outopia I think I should have final say on everything
[2011/02/13 13:09] Isis Sheryffe: we have been saying that CQ
[2011/02/13 13:09] Tori Landau: lol
[2011/02/13 13:09] Aseret Quintessa: lol T
[2011/02/13 13:09] Prash Mavendorf: i won't be voting on anything to be fair. have been far too distant to make an informed decision.
[2011/02/13 13:09] DeeDee Bookmite: Queen Titiana
[2011/02/13 13:09] Isis Sheryffe: ok Titiana why not
[2011/02/13 13:09] Aseret Quintessa: yes better idea
[2011/02/13 13:09] Titiana Haystack: no empress
[2011/02/13 13:09] Lazarus Loxely: i like your thinking Titiana
[2011/02/13 13:09] Tori Landau: Prash, please vote, it's important ;)
[2011/02/13 13:09] Jonno Stromfield: ok, but PLEASE. Can people here say whether they want first past the post or 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice. perhaps you can ask for a show of hands
[2011/02/13 13:09] Aseret Quintessa: married to Laz
[2011/02/13 13:09] Commander Quandry: I'll vote for that Titiana
[2011/02/13 13:09] DeeDee Bookmite: you are as entitled to a say as anyone Prash
[2011/02/13 13:09] Prash Mavendorf: Empress is too darlek.
[2011/02/13 13:09] Aseret Quintessa: right people lets vote please say in chat what is wanted
[2011/02/13 13:09] Prash Mavendorf: i gave up having a proper say ages ago. lol.
[2011/02/13 13:09] Titiana Haystack: first past the post, but could similar ideas be amalgamated
[2011/02/13 13:09] Aseret Quintessa: I vote first past post
[2011/02/13 13:09] Tori Landau: If it's possible, i'd like 1 2 3
[2011/02/13 13:09] Jonno Stromfield: 1 2 3
[2011/02/13 13:10] Commander Quandry: In order to sure of buy in to the adopted plan a simple majority may not be the best.
[2011/02/13 13:10] Commander Quandry: if a plan wins 51 to 49
[2011/02/13 13:10] Tori Landau: in case we don't get the ideas consensus in time
[2011/02/13 13:10] DeeDee Bookmite: open voting :)
[2011/02/13 13:10] Commander Quandry: we may find a OUtopia that loses 30 disgruntles people
[2011/02/13 13:10] Prash Mavendorf: but if i am going to be serious... i would go first past the post with 5% win.
[2011/02/13 13:10] Tori Landau: good point CQ
[2011/02/13 13:10] Titiana Haystack: have we got 30 people?
[2011/02/13 13:10] Lazarus Loxely: lol
[2011/02/13 13:10] Aseret Quintessa: It’s going to lose peple anyway
[2011/02/13 13:10] Prash Mavendorf: (i.e. 52.5% against 47.5%)
[2011/02/13 13:10] Commander Quandry: Titiana - figures are illustrative
[2011/02/13 13:10] Aseret Quintessa: and yes we haven't 30 whether 81 in group or not
[2011/02/13 13:10] Lazarus Loxely: you shoulda said 30 real people
[2011/02/13 13:10] Tori Landau: actually, recently we have more people
[2011/02/13 13:11] DeeDee Bookmite: lol Titiana
[2011/02/13 13:11] Tori Landau: but have a core of around 20
[2011/02/13 13:11] DeeDee Bookmite: yes and how
[2011/02/13 13:11] DeeDee Bookmite: met some of them
[2011/02/13 13:11] Jonno Stromfield: if we are split here, do we take this to the forum?
[2011/02/13 13:11] DeeDee Bookmite: one had an impressive freenis
[2011/02/13 13:11] DeeDee Bookmite: on the sand box
[2011/02/13 13:11] Aseret Quintessa: yes I would guss so
[2011/02/13 13:11] Titiana Haystack: lol deedee
[2011/02/13 13:11] Jonno Stromfield: ok
[2011/02/13 13:11] Aseret Quintessa: chokes
[2011/02/13 13:11] Lazarus Loxely: i agree with Prash 1st past post + a %
[2011/02/13 13:11] Prash Mavendorf: if we are split, we could have a split forum too.
[2011/02/13 13:11] Tori Landau: Yes, maybe we could use the Voting htread that JOnno started
[2011/02/13 13:11] DeeDee Bookmite: this means war
[2011/02/13 13:11] DeeDee Bookmite: ?
[2011/02/13 13:12] Isis Sheryffe: something I would hate to see is war
[2011/02/13 13:12] Tori Landau: and I'll find out what the OU want re the voting as well
[2011/02/13 13:12] DeeDee Bookmite: 2 tribes sounds interesting
[2011/02/13 13:12] Titiana Haystack: blooody cheek CQ, we're not married
[2011/02/13 13:12] Aseret Quintessa: LOL
[2011/02/13 13:12] DeeDee Bookmite: a mini NI
[2011/02/13 13:12] Commander Quandry: 2 tribes go to war
[2011/02/13 13:12] Aseret Quintessa: sighs
[2011/02/13 13:12] Tori Landau: lol Dee
[2011/02/13 13:12] Titiana Haystack: (see his tag)
[2011/02/13 13:12] Jonno Stromfield: No surrender!
[2011/02/13 13:12] DeeDee Bookmite: riots on the green
[2011/02/13 13:12] Commander Quandry: we could have that continually on the Island Music Stream
[2011/02/13 13:12] Prash Mavendorf: however, i do see some benefit of AV if we don't achieve a number of registered voters of a certain number.
[2011/02/13 13:12] Tori Landau: lol
[2011/02/13 13:12] DeeDee Bookmite: yay Jonno you picked the right side ;)
[2011/02/13 13:13] Prash Mavendorf: i.e. first past the post if we have, for example, 80 voters. Anything less, AV.
[2011/02/13 13:13] DeeDee Bookmite: sighs I don't mind which
[2011/02/13 13:13] Aseret Quintessa: we wil have about 20 Prash
[2011/02/13 13:13] Tori Landau: unfortunately i doubt if we will get 80 voters
[2011/02/13 13:13] Prash Mavendorf: (80 is just an arbitary number!)
[2011/02/13 13:13] Jonno Stromfield: if we get 40, I'll be surprised
[2011/02/13 13:13] Tori Landau: 30 max i think
[2011/02/13 13:13] Isis Sheryffe: ok
[2011/02/13 13:13] Aseret Quintessa: and I think that will be luck if they all vote
[2011/02/13 13:13] Isis Sheryffe: can you honestly see 80 voters I cant
[2011/02/13 13:13] Jonno Stromfield: I agree, Tori
[2011/02/13 13:13] Isis Sheryffe: by the way
[2011/02/13 13:14] Jonno Stromfield: yes.....
[2011/02/13 13:14] Prash Mavendorf: so if we aim for 40 or 50 voters for first past the vote. anything less, AV?
[2011/02/13 13:14] Aseret Quintessa: ok we are split on the voting process
[2011/02/13 13:14] Commander Quandry: have 20 people written on the forum?
[2011/02/13 13:14] Tori Landau: keeping us in suspenders isis ;)
[2011/02/13 13:14] DeeDee Bookmite: no
[2011/02/13 13:14] Jonno Stromfield: about that CQ
[2011/02/13 13:14] Isis Sheryffe: sorry
[2011/02/13 13:14] Isis Sheryffe: trying to open a note I wrote
[2011/02/13 13:14] Aseret Quintessa: 18 I think
[2011/02/13 13:14] Tori Landau: lol, np Isis
[2011/02/13 13:14] Prash Mavendorf: she's just keeping u in suspenders tori. i refuse to wear them.
[2011/02/13 13:14] Isis Sheryffe: wanted to tell you about nos in houses regularly
[2011/02/13 13:14] Prash Mavendorf: lol.
[2011/02/13 13:14] Tori Landau: ooh, go on
[2011/02/13 13:14] Isis Sheryffe: Greg wrote a new scanner
[2011/02/13 13:14] Isis Sheryffe: much better than old one
[2011/02/13 13:15] Jonno Stromfield: good
[2011/02/13 13:15] Aseret Quintessa: back to Vote please
[2011/02/13 13:15] Tori Landau: yes, reliable
[2011/02/13 13:15] Lazarus Loxely: can it read our minds?
[2011/02/13 13:15] Jonno Stromfield: quite right As
[2011/02/13 13:15] Aseret Quintessa: we need to close the meeting soon
[2011/02/13 13:15] Lazarus Loxely looks worried
[2011/02/13 13:15] Prash Mavendorf: it has a devil detector.
[2011/02/13 13:15] DeeDee Bookmite: ok 12.3 voting
[2011/02/13 13:15] Prash Mavendorf: and it detects people in captain suits.
[2011/02/13 13:15] Titiana Haystack: lol
[2011/02/13 13:15] Tori Landau: ok.... imo we should use Jonno's voting thread on forum
[2011/02/13 13:16] Aseret Quintessa: we have to decide on the way to vote now
[2011/02/13 13:16] Isis Sheryffe: will post at the end
[2011/02/13 13:16] Tori Landau: to see what people want
[2011/02/13 13:16] DeeDee Bookmite: lol
[2011/02/13 13:16] Aseret Quintessa: because no vote no OUtopia
[2011/02/13 13:16] Tori Landau: and i'll ask OU opion/technicalities on it
[2011/02/13 13:16] Isis Sheryffe: ok I will go with 1.2 3 then
[2011/02/13 13:16] Commander Quandry: Prash - detect away - I am in a Commander's Uniform
[2011/02/13 13:16] Jonno Stromfield: LO, CQ
[2011/02/13 13:16] Jonno Stromfield: lol
[2011/02/13 13:16] Tori Landau: heheh CQ
[2011/02/13 13:16] Prash Mavendorf: it detects them too. lol.
[2011/02/13 13:16] DeeDee Bookmite: hehe like the tag CQ
[2011/02/13 13:16] Tori Landau: i'm 1 2 3 as well for the record
[2011/02/13 13:16] Aseret Quintessa: k so 123 private vote with Greg and Nial returning officers?
[2011/02/13 13:17] Commander Quandry: I'm 3 2 1
[2011/02/13 13:17] DeeDee Bookmite: averts Laz's eyes
[2011/02/13 13:17] Jonno Stromfield: okay by me
[2011/02/13 13:17] Tori Landau: i must put tags on, can't see what Dee is enjoyijg re Jonno and Cq's tags
[2011/02/13 13:17] Prash Mavendorf: i've already stated my opinion.
[2011/02/13 13:17] Titiana Haystack: but a goddess trumps emperor
[2011/02/13 13:17] Prash Mavendorf: CQ wins the dusty bin. lol.
[2011/02/13 13:17] DeeDee Bookmite: lol
[2011/02/13 13:17] Tori Landau: fine by me As
[2011/02/13 13:17] Aseret Quintessa: is that agreed re vote
[2011/02/13 13:17] Lazarus Loxely: ewww trumpy empress
[2011/02/13 13:17] Jonno Stromfield: I just hope you don't have the animation to go with that, CQ. I remember Ted Rogers
[2011/02/13 13:17] Lazarus Loxely: sounds like grounds for divorce
[2011/02/13 13:17] Aseret Quintessa: is now desperate to close meeting lol
[2011/02/13 13:17] Jonno Stromfield: You have one more duty, As
[2011/02/13 13:18] Prash Mavendorf: woohooo!
[2011/02/13 13:18] Titiana Haystack: sorr As
[2011/02/13 13:18] Prash Mavendorf: lol.
[2011/02/13 13:18] Prash Mavendorf: the meeting is now closed.
[2011/02/13 13:18] Prash Mavendorf: sorry, false alarm.
[2011/02/13 13:18] Prash Mavendorf: lol.
[2011/02/13 13:18] Aseret Quintessa: yes Jonno?
[2011/02/13 13:18] Aseret Quintessa: any other business
[2011/02/13 13:18] Jonno Stromfield: You need to volunteer the next chair and get the date set
[2011/02/13 13:18] Commander Quandry: Only one
[2011/02/13 13:18] Prash Mavendorf: i chose the yellow chair.
[2011/02/13 13:18] Jonno Stromfield: tumbleweed roll past
[2011/02/13 13:18] DeeDee Bookmite: lol
[2011/02/13 13:18] Commander Quandry: when I stand you will all need to use a Kneel Animation
[2011/02/13 13:19] DeeDee Bookmite: :)
[2011/02/13 13:19] Tori Landau: if we are to start voting this thurs at latest until sat 26th...
[2011/02/13 13:19] Jonno Stromfield: I'm not that kinky Commander
[2011/02/13 13:19] Titiana Haystack: yo should be so lucky cq
[2011/02/13 13:19] Aseret Quintessa: yes that sounds okay as long as the plan issue is sorted fast
[2011/02/13 13:19] Titiana Haystack: we're all using yawn animations
[2011/02/13 13:19] Tori Landau: then...Mon 28th so as for Greg to get votes back to us
[2011/02/13 13:19] Aseret Quintessa: Laz can chair
[2011/02/13 13:20] Jonno Stromfield: good choice, As
[2011/02/13 13:20] Prash Mavendorf: we're doomed then. lol.
[2011/02/13 13:20] DeeDee Bookmite: yes I agree
[2011/02/13 13:20] Aseret Quintessa: he wants to be in charge so have a taste of power Laz ;)
[2011/02/13 13:20] Aseret Quintessa: date
[2011/02/13 13:20] Titiana Haystack: I shall pray for you all my children
[2011/02/13 13:20] Tori Landau: agrre re laz
[2011/02/13 13:20] Prash Mavendorf: he'll insist on everyone wearing devils horns for the next meeting. lol.
[2011/02/13 13:20] Isis Sheryffe: good idea
[2011/02/13 13:20] Isis Sheryffe: sorry lag
[2011/02/13 13:20] Jonno Stromfield: on the one horn...
[2011/02/13 13:20] Isis Sheryffe: came in wrong place
[2011/02/13 13:20] Tori Landau: date - 28th, we should hopefully know result then
[2011/02/13 13:20] Prash Mavendorf: no objections from me.
[2011/02/13 13:20] Isis Sheryffe: ok
[2011/02/13 13:21] Aseret Quintessa: so next meeting 28th Feb
[2011/02/13 13:21] Jonno Stromfield: it will give us a few days to get last minute changes before submission
[2011/02/13 13:21] Tori Landau: although with Niall being involved maybe not
[2011/02/13 13:21] Jonno Stromfield: yes
[2011/02/13 13:21] Aseret Quintessa: kk
[2011/02/13 13:21] Tori Landau: we might need to close the voting sooner - the thurs before
[2011/02/13 13:21] Jonno Stromfield: he only has to agree Kick's numbers
[2011/02/13 13:21] Aseret Quintessa: Laz you know your Chair don't you
[2011/02/13 13:21] Tori Landau: yes, but it's the sun and mon, that's all they have
[2011/02/13 13:21] DeeDee Bookmite: he was out of range maybe lol
[2011/02/13 13:22] Jonno Stromfield: 20/30 people voting - it'll only take an hour
[2011/02/13 13:22] Aseret Quintessa: Okay anyother business?
[2011/02/13 13:22] Lazarus Loxely: hope you guys can make later than usual then, i can't commit to an early meeting i am afraid
[2011/02/13 13:22] Tori Landau: I'll talk to kick about it all, but let's say 28th
[2011/02/13 13:22] Aseret Quintessa: k that’s great Tori
[2011/02/13 13:22] DeeDee Bookmite: 9pm?
[2011/02/13 13:22] Jonno Stromfield: you want it at 9?
[2011/02/13 13:22] Tori Landau: i'd like to hear what Isis was going to say about the houses please
[2011/02/13 13:23] Isis Sheryffe: ok
[2011/02/13 13:23] Prash Mavendorf: i think we should have the meeting at 1am.
[2011/02/13 13:23] Lazarus Loxely: what date let me check dont want to let anyone down
[2011/02/13 13:23] Jonno Stromfield: 28th
[2011/02/13 13:23] Isis Sheryffe: WE 29/01/11

No of avs with zero time in OU 51
No of avs between 0 and 60 mins 7

Total not meeting residency nos 58

No of avs meeting residency mins 19

WE 04/02/11

No of avs with zero time in OU 46
No of avs between 0 and 60 mins 18

Total not meeting residency nos 64

No of avs meeting residency mins 13

WE 11/02/11

No of avs with zero time in OU 56
No of avs between 0 and 60 mins 8

Total not meeting residency nos 64

No of avs meeting residency mins 13
[2011/02/13 13:23] Aseret Quintessa: pffff
[2011/02/13 13:23] Isis Sheryffe: wait for it then
[2011/02/13 13:23] Aseret Quintessa: 64 not using houses
[2011/02/13 13:23] Isis Sheryffe: very low numbers actually using homes
[2011/02/13 13:23] Isis Sheryffe: including allotments
[2011/02/13 13:23] Lazarus Loxely: as far as i know 28th is fine, i'll try for 9pm defo no earlier
[2011/02/13 13:23] Isis Sheryffe: 77 homes altogether
[2011/02/13 13:23] Isis Sheryffe: 9 is fine for me
[2011/02/13 13:24] DeeDee Bookmite: fine for me
[2011/02/13 13:24] Tori Landau: 9 ok for me
[2011/02/13 13:24] Tori Landau: interesting stats, but i'm not surprised at the numbers
[2011/02/13 13:24] Prash Mavendorf: i'll do my best for the 28th.
[2011/02/13 13:24] Aseret Quintessa: not sure but will try
[2011/02/13 13:24] Lazarus Loxely: i demand better than that Prash
[2011/02/13 13:24] Isis Sheryffe: at least with these stats we do not need to worry about major upset if houses went
[2011/02/13 13:25] Titiana Haystack: lol
[2011/02/13 13:25] Aseret Quintessa: no that is one thing
[2011/02/13 13:25] Prash Mavendorf: i won't bother on the 28th. any better laz?
[2011/02/13 13:25] Prash Mavendorf: lol.
[2011/02/13 13:25] Lazarus Loxely: i do have a question about that
[2011/02/13 13:25] Aseret Quintessa: although Jonno said about some who do use there homes
[2011/02/13 13:25] Titiana Haystack: I'm sorry for Elsa as sh emust have worked so hard on them
[2011/02/13 13:25] Aseret Quintessa: what would happen about them
[2011/02/13 13:25] DeeDee Bookmite: I write in a declaration using my own blood that I will be there on 28th. Is that okay?
[2011/02/13 13:25] Tori Landau: agree isis
[2011/02/13 13:25] Tori Landau: agre Titiana which is why i included as homes for people in the sandbox plan
[2011/02/13 13:25] Lazarus Loxely: if people have items they bought left in their homes, how do we stand on ownership and dumping
[2011/02/13 13:26] Aseret Quintessa: Dee that is fine could you write in my diary too save me being so extreme
[2011/02/13 13:26] Isis Sheryffe: I think if we had some means of plots then they could have one of those
[2011/02/13 13:26] DeeDee Bookmite: lol As
[2011/02/13 13:26] Isis Sheryffe: so transfer to plt
[2011/02/13 13:26] Aseret Quintessa: ;)
[2011/02/13 13:26] Isis Sheryffe: and they put up Ou style house or their own - up to them
[2011/02/13 13:26] Aseret Quintessa: can't items just be returne
[2011/02/13 13:26] Tori Landau: Laz, items would be reuturned
[2011/02/13 13:26] Aseret Quintessa: returned
[2011/02/13 13:26] Lazarus Loxely: cool
[2011/02/13 13:26] Tori Landau: it's not a problem
[2011/02/13 13:26] Tori Landau: °͜°
[2011/02/13 13:27] Prash Mavendorf: that's a crying shame. lol.
[2011/02/13 13:27] DeeDee Bookmite: brb
[2011/02/13 13:27] Prash Mavendorf: i spend more time on this island than most residents.
[2011/02/13 13:27] Tori Landau: so, plots - not allotment or house is way forward
[2011/02/13 13:27] Aseret Quintessa: so houses
[2011/02/13 13:27] Tori Landau: do what you want
[2011/02/13 13:27] Prash Mavendorf: i agree tori.
[2011/02/13 13:27] Isis Sheryffe: I think plots give folks more choice
[2011/02/13 13:28] Prash Mavendorf: but there needs to be set prim counts.
[2011/02/13 13:28] Jonno Stromfield: plots, yes. forcing people to go one way or another seems odd
[2011/02/13 13:28] Isis Sheryffe: call them allotments or plots same thing
[2011/02/13 13:28] Prash Mavendorf: residents can ask for double plots too.
[2011/02/13 13:28] Aseret Quintessa: I know houses would be provided but what about newibes who don't know what to do with their new house in a box?
[2011/02/13 13:28] Lazarus Loxely: can i have a sub-plot?
[2011/02/13 13:28] Tori Landau: plots might be better, allotment gives image of 'no house allowed'
[2011/02/13 13:28] Jonno Stromfield: good question Prash, but on what grounds?
[2011/02/13 13:28] Prash Mavendorf: or build a student halls of residents.
[2011/02/13 13:28] Aseret Quintessa: a subtext more like Laz
[2011/02/13 13:29] Prash Mavendorf: jonno... if nobody uses the plot next door to them if they want to expand.
[2011/02/13 13:29] Jonno Stromfield: I want all the empty plots here, please
[2011/02/13 13:29] Prash Mavendorf: but for laz, he should only have 2m squared with 5 prims.
[2011/02/13 13:29] Isis Sheryffe: I always offer to help new home owners now if they need help so would just as happily help anyone open a box
[2011/02/13 13:29] Tori Landau: that's where the sandbox plan is easier, pleople can expand
[2011/02/13 13:29] Aseret Quintessa: there seems to be an issue of ownership rights on flats
[2011/02/13 13:29] Jonno Stromfield: that's not good enough, I don't think
[2011/02/13 13:29] Aseret Quintessa: I didn't understand that
[2011/02/13 13:29] Jonno Stromfield: I say one plot per person
[2011/02/13 13:30] Prash Mavendorf: 1 plot per person by default.
[2011/02/13 13:30] Isis Sheryffe: I agree
[2011/02/13 13:30] Jonno Stromfield: You mean that they currently hold tennancy agreemenets?
[2011/02/13 13:30] Isis Sheryffe: one per RL person
[2011/02/13 13:30] Prash Mavendorf: but where spare plots exists next door to them, some students should be able to expand.
[2011/02/13 13:30] Prash Mavendorf: imo
[2011/02/13 13:30] Jonno Stromfield: yes, Isis. nice ditinction
[2011/02/13 13:30] Aseret Quintessa: no what I mean is
[2011/02/13 13:30] Jonno Stromfield: distinction
[2011/02/13 13:30] Tori Landau: ok..... how about we have a mix - saome sandbox so that people can get stuck in immediately plus plots
[2011/02/13 13:30] Lazarus Loxely: plots need to be big enough to express yourself though
[2011/02/13 13:30] Aseret Quintessa: with flats there seemed to be comment that it was a problem
[2011/02/13 13:31] Isis Sheryffe: a bit of both I agree
[2011/02/13 13:31] Tori Landau: and if you have a plot and there's space in the sandbox, you can use some of that as well
[2011/02/13 13:31] Jonno Stromfield: 110 prims is about right Laz
[2011/02/13 13:31] Aseret Quintessa: chat lag
[2011/02/13 13:31] Isis Sheryffe: if there are not too many likely to be needed than a bit bigger than houses now would be possible I think
[2011/02/13 13:31] Jonno Stromfield: there's the giant sandbox too
[2011/02/13 13:31] Prash Mavendorf: if one occupies the sandbox, then there would be less sandbox for non-resident outopians to use.
[2011/02/13 13:31] Tori Landau: i mean, the social sandbox area, that is set to group
[2011/02/13 13:32] Jonno Stromfield: we can tailor it as it goes. the first attempt isn't cast in stone
[2011/02/13 13:32] Aseret Quintessa: I think planning for something when youre not sure its happening is a waste of time ebh
[2011/02/13 13:32] DeeDee Bookmite: bk
[2011/02/13 13:32] Aseret Quintessa: tbh
[2011/02/13 13:32] Isis Sheryffe: yes change can be made - that's one of the points I was making
[2011/02/13 13:32] Aseret Quintessa: and if this is general chat now and doesn't need logging I should close the meeting
[2011/02/13 13:32] Jonno Stromfield: sorry, thought you had.
[2011/02/13 13:32] Isis Sheryffe: yes I think so AS
[2011/02/13 13:33] Isis Sheryffe: sorry i too thought we had done
[2011/02/13 13:33] Prash Mavendorf: i thought the meeting was closed. lol.
[2011/02/13 13:33] Isis Sheryffe: #apologies
[2011/02/13 13:33] Aseret Quintessa: I declare this meeting closed